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From: chuckbeatty77 @aol.com - view profile
Date: Sun, Oct 1 2006 1:05 pm
Email: "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com"
Groups: alt.religion.scientology

the even harder to handle .Lily Firered. wrote:

> Beware logging on to this "XSO"-chat group, this is likely just another
> trap from oSA to track you back, to find out about your identity, and
> find out about who is looking to contact "ex" - scientologists, most of
> whom are in fact nothing else but phony critics and phony "ex"'s, most
> of them are still working for scientology.

> Beware logging on to this "XSO"-chat group

> .Lily.

Chuck Beatty responded:

Trust starts somewhere, and XSO is a place to regain friends and rebuild friendships, and be like a normal western civilization citizen, NOT under the paranoid threat of retaliation from totalitarian mindcontrol official Scientology.

Getting onto XSO, people can then email each other privatley, phone each other privately, and network.

It is a huge huge stepping stone to regaining one's friends, just like any High School or college reunion site are.

OSA, Gavino Idda's wife, I think her name is Gloria, she polices XSO apparantly daily, and I think Lynn Farney of OSA Legal Bureau also reads the summaries that Gloria puts together daily, most likely.

And someone in RTC, like Warren McShane, if indeed he is back in RTC doing some sort of duty there again, Warren probably surfs wherever he feels like he needs to, and keeps tabs on the ex Sea Org high ranking people.

For sure, since OSA operates on LRH's policies about keeping files on all their "enemies" all the posts on XSO, Clambake, and ARS and any other critical web site, all posts by ex Scientologists find their way into the files that OSA keeps.

It is all per their obliged duties carrying out LRH's policies on files and keeping tabs on their actual and suspected "enemies."

It is just part of the bargain of joining Scientology.

When more ex OSA people ex GO people who worked in the files, like the excellent all time best interview that Stacy Brooks Young did on Mike McClaughy, on Xenu TV, that interview is more important to view than listen to Lily.

Ex Sea Org should spend some time surfing the web and Xenu TV, and YouTube, and just keep reading and exposing themselves to all the valid raw material on the web against Scn.

The church spreads fear and silencing still, since that is all they know how to do, and that is what is their obligation per their policies, and the TV interview with Mike McClaughy is a must view by ex Sea Org members.

There is so much to absorb, there is months and months of things to absorb against Scientology on the internet.

I recommend ex Sea Org members hook up with old trusted friends, and go from there, whichever way they choose.

Some will inevitably rise up and go to police or prosecutors, some will want to do books or help with books, some will gladly do media, and some take some encouraging to go do anything.

It's a freer world out in the real world for sure, and I only recommend that ex Sea Org members just keep taking advantage of the freer rules of the real world, and NOT be silenced.

Most ex Sea Org members will NOT get any kind of retaliation. I have had almost no retaliation compared to past standards, and I have been chatting away for several years now.

The dire fearful climate is changing.

Chuck Beatty
Ex-Sea Org (lifetime staffer, 1975-2003)
Flag Dec 1975-Jun 1983 (TTC, Sup, Word Clearer, D of T, etc.)
Int Base 1983-1984 (Routing Forms Pjt)
Snr HCO Int in the FB in LA 1984-87
Re-Training (Int and LA) 87-88
Int Training Org, LA 88 (Sec Checker Sup)
LRH Tech Research and Comps, CMO Int, (Sept 88-Feb 89)
Int RPF (Feb-Mar 89)
PAC RPF (Mar-May 89)
Int Training Org (May-Sept 89) (Admin Sup)
INCOMM Sep 89-Sept 90 (Routing Forms Pjt)
INCOMM Sept 90-May92 (Computer Room LA & Int)
ASI May 92-Dec95 (Computer Room, In-Training Esto)
Decks Int (Dec 95-Jun 96)
Int RPF (Jun 96-Nov 2000)
PAC RPF (Nov 2000-Mar2003)
Routed out March 29, 2003.
To Join XSO and network to old Sea Org friends:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XSO/
(I highly recommend ex-Sea Org joining.)

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From: the even harder to handle .Lily Firered.
Date: Thurs, Oct 5 2006 5:13 am
Email: "the even harder to handle .Lily Firered."
Groups: alt.religion.scientology

[Lily's comments:]
- Why should anyone trust Chuck? .... snip.....

[Lily's comments:] Beware logging on to this "XSO"-chat group, this is likely just another trap from OSA to track you back, to find out about your identity, and find out about who is looking to contact "ex" - scientologists, most of whom are in fact nothing else but phony critics and phony "ex"'s, most of them are still working for scientology. .... snip....

If you hesitate to contact him, he will not give up. He will say things like that: "Media is interested in contacting x-sea orgers. Just give me a call, and I will connect you". Or "someone wants to write a book about x-sea org and needs information". He will promise anything you want - e.g. that he will keep any information you give him, safe, and that you will not be mentioned if you don't want.

Very likely there is no author or "book about x-so" in his back at all, only some curious scientologists eager to pull you back into their weird world.

Know, that this is very likely the one and only purpose of that creepy-sounding "XSO" group - to trap you back into scientology.

Lily.

[Chuck's response:]

Lily,

If you understood the Sea Org, you'd see how ridiculous your advice is.

Your cautions forward silencing. That is wrong.

The outside world is peopled with individuals smart enough to cut all ex Scientologists and ex Sea Org members a lot of slack. Ex Scientologists and ex Sea Org members are viewed by smarter outside world people sympathetically, since the Scientology official movement is still held with great caution or viewed as absurdly whacked in the head. (See the Andy Dick parody of Tom & Katie's wedding, the TV video spoof, that is how Scientology is understood by the general public.)

Any ex Sea Org members are truly sympathized with rather than condemned.

See what some of the experts said in the article written on me: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05205/542899.stm

I support any forum that helps draw ex members into the normal world again, and allows them to freely discuss their lives like normal citizens again.

XSO chat group to me is most similar to a High School reunion site.

If anyone gets OSA retaliation due to posting on XSO, like two persons have told me they have, I think the correct normal human being response is to expose that OSA/Scientology totalitarian intervention. Just expose any bad retaliation that Scientology/OSA does. That is the solution. The solution is NOT to stay silenced.

The normal outside world reaction to disgraceful human behavior is to air it publicly, and through public exposure to cause the disgraceful behavior to cease.

If anyone is harrassed for being on XSO, they should just make it public.

I do.

Just keep going public, as the public out in the real world understands the predicaments and disgraceful tactics of Hubbard's worst ideas, and the outside world doesn't, and won't ever, buy Scientology's worst demeaning degrading totalitarian pressuring tactics.

In fact that totalitarian pressuring from Scientology is why public rightfully stay away from Scientology.

Hubbard said in Keeping Scientology Working:

"As we could have gotten along without suggestions, then, we had better steel ourselves to continue to do so now that we have made it. This point will of course be attacked as 'unpopular,' 'egotistical' and 'undemocratic.' It very well may be."

Lily, you push for ex members to go to the police in some earlier post of yours. I agree.

Ex Sea Org who don't have illegal acts to report, but who just want to hook up like high school students do with their old buddies, then XSO is a spot to start.

Those wanting to do more, be available for media interviews or interviews by religious movement scholars, etc, then I'll gladly relay you to media and scholars who have contacted me.

Chuck Beatty

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From: chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
Date: Thurs, Oct 26 2006 12:23 am
Groups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: OSA staff who read and file the ARS postings you are obligated to file, please defect!

OSA staff who have to review and file the ARS and Clambake and XSO chat site postings of persons who you keep files on, PLEASE consider defecting and detailing your lives.

Lynn Farney, Gloria Idda, and whoever else gets to read the postings and summaries of the postings done by the church "enemies" I urge you to defect out of the movemet, and help expose Scientology's ongoing intelligence gathering and smearing operations, and lay out who in OSA is all involved in the tactics.

Tory recently mentioned professionals being used to do things that the church tries to separate itself from.

OSA staff who know about the use and directions to these professionals, please defect and lay out the details.

Chuck Beatty

From: Magoo
Date: Thurs, Oct 26 2006 12:37 am
Email: "Magoo"
Groups: alt.religion.scientology

snip

Good idea, Chuck!

Someone will, time is on our side. Tick tock, tick tock :)

Best,
Tory/Magoo~~

From: chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
Date: Thurs, Oct 26 2006 1:37 am
Groups: alt.religion.scientology

Tory,

I sympathize with staff and hope MORE eventually are able to rise up and face the fact that LRH's writings are those staff members' underlying problems. OSA in particular, my ex wife, Janet, sometimes got in the dumps and just wanted to do some other job besides OSA. OSA's entrusted job of handling the supposed "SP" attackers of Scientology, all of OSA's agenda against the attackers, trying to incite the crazy atmosphere and incite the critics to attack each other, trying to propagandize the critics into discreditable roles, it is really a tacky business. Psychologically trained outsiders understand what this does to these OSA people who chose and now year after year do their dull paper pushing bureaucractic OSA duties and play the LRH game of attacking the attackers of Scientology and supposedly ensuring the safety of Scientology for all time, etc.

It is such a strange unfortunate ramification of L. Ron Hubbard's galactically delusional self-importance. OSA is LRH's concoction, a bureaucracy built up trying to battle the recoils of LRH's irrational personal faults turned into ever problamatic church policy.

I was sickened by the impasse predicaments I saw staff encounter over the decades I was in the Sea Org. Almost all of LRH's cliche criticisms of the outside world and then his internal criticisms of staff, ALWAYS the blame is either staff's fault, or the public's fault, or the outside world's fault.

The obvious big omission, that defecting staff eventually rise up to admit, is LRH's unrecognized personal fault in Scientology's difficulties. The problem is LRH.

I hope the OSA staff who see LRH's ultimate fault, those getting to read this post, I invite them personally to come out and help expose the idiocies and worse.

OSA staff who have overseen and done years of "successful" degrading of the critics of Scientology, please defect and tell your exploits.

Hubbard's legacy of tech for OSA are the OSA Network bulletins. The OSA NW issues are what the OSA bureaucrats are entrusted to enforce to supposedly ensure Scientology succedes.

The OSA Network issues were done by a two person project, and the In Charge of that project is now out of the Sea Org. She lives in California.

I hope she goes public someday.

She had a lot to do with securing EU scholarly treatises supportive of Scientology.

Should she turn against Scn, she'd do a lot of good!

Jacqueline Kevenar, a very nice lady, very smart, I knew her only as an acquaintance, but I doubt she will surface and expose what she knows, but she knows all the OSA Network issues, since she was he Mission In Charge on the project mission back in the late 80s early 90s when those issues were compiled, and she also was WDC OSA, etc., worked in OSA, worked in CMO Int.

I encourage ex OSA people and those higher in RTC, former RTC people, to please speak up. There are mounds and mounds of OSA tactics and things to expose.

Chuck Beatty
Ex-Sea Org (lifetime staffer, 1975-2003)
Flag Dec 1975-Jun 1983 (TTC, Sup, Word Clearer, D of T, etc.)
Int Base 1983-1984 (Routing Forms Pjt)
Snr HCO Int in the FB in LA 1984-87 Re-Training (Int and LA) 87-88
Int Training Org, LA 88 (Sec Checker Sup)
LRH Tech Research and Comps, CMO Int, (Sept 88-Feb 89)
Int RPF (Feb-Mar 89)
PAC RPF (Mar-May 89)
Int Training Org (May-Sept 89) (Admin Sup)
INCOMM Sep 89-Sept 90 (Routing Forms Pjt)
INCOMM Sept 90-May92 (Computer Room LA & Int)
ASI May 92-Dec95 (Computer Room, In-Training Esto)
Decks Int (Dec 95-Jun 96)
Int RPF (Jun 96-Nov 2000)
PAC RPF (Nov 2000-Mar2003)
Routed out March 29, 2003.
Join XSO and network to old Sea Org friends:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XSO/
Chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
http://www.freewebs.com/chuckbeatty77/
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05205/542899.stm
I live in Pittsburgh, anyone feel free to call
me anytime: 412-260-1170

From: chuckbeatty77 @aol.com - view profile
Date: Fri, Oct 27 2006 3:56 am
Email: "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com"
Groups: alt.religion.scientology

Truth Seeker wrote:
For some reason the church of scintology doesn't like it when their undercover operations and methods are exposed to the world.

Truth Seeker
==========

Don't worry about OSA. Their marching orders guarantee their failure.

They mainly have a personnel problem, no one to replace their disaffected ranks of older staff who drift away from the Hubbard package of faulty self-problem creating ideas.

OSA's silencing of even a whole generation of critics won't stop the next generation of critics from recognizing Hubbard's and Scientology's faults.

OSA is a bureaucratic solution to Hubbard's impaired mental functioning.

OSA is the redecoration team trying to revise and redefine the outside world to fit LRH's delusion about it.

Only those who are deep in the Scientology delusion buy the OSA tactics as legitimate.

OSA tactics that mirror the outside world's tactics, those too are easily spotted by outside public.

Hubbard and the church have already been called on the carpet for each and every embedded idiocy Hubbard has injected permanently into the movement.

New people coming along once they hear what LRH said and wrote, laugh at the ridiculousness of LRH and his ideas and Scientology, and thus there will always be large hordes of instant enemies of the church.

I wish OSA staff well in discovering their predicament, and in realizing LRH is their who for why they cannot seem to succede.

Good luck to you and existing OSA staff who have to read this, in snapping a little out of LRH's world of problem causing ideas.

Chuck Beatty
Ex-Sea Org (lifetime staffer, 1975-2003)
Flag Dec 1975-Jun 1983 (TTC, Sup, Word Clearer, D of T, etc.)
Int Base 1983-1984 (Routing Forms Pjt)
Snr HCO Int in the FB in LA 1984-87 Re-Training (Int and LA) 87-88
Int Training Org, LA 88 (Sec Checker Sup)
LRH Tech Research and Comps, CMO Int, (Sept 88-Feb 89)
Int RPF (Feb-Mar 89)
PAC RPF (Mar-May 89)
Int Training Org (May-Sept 89) (Admin Sup)
INCOMM Sep 89-Sept 90 (Routing Forms Pjt)
INCOMM Sept 90-May92 (Computer Room LA & Int)
ASI May 92-Dec95 (Computer Room, In-Training Esto)
Decks Int (Dec 95-Jun 96)
Int RPF (Jun 96-Nov 2000)
PAC RPF (Nov 2000-Mar2003)
Routed out March 29, 2003.
Join XSO and network to old Sea Org friends:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XSO/
Chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
http://www.freewebs.com/chuckbeatty77/
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05205/542899.stm
I live in Pittsburgh, anyone feel free to call
me anytime: 412-260-1170

From: chuckbeatty77 @aol.com - view profile
Date: Tues, Oct 31 2006 10:21 pm
Email: "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com"
Groups: alt.religion.scientology

Hartley Patterson wrote:

The presenter was a Sikh. Was that a problem for you?

'Comedian' was the excuse used by the cult for not cooperating. He is also a writer and a director.

The Freezoners were lucky. The Sufis got Peaches Geldorf, who was, of course, devastating.

-- > "I just might be the angel at your door"
http://www.newsfrombree.co.uk
A medieval spreadsheet and enturbulating entheta.

--------------------- [chuck answers:]

I like the Sikhs I've met. I have found that people strongly religious have usually quite a depth of character.

I was rooting for him to NOT accept the Scientology bullshit though, I have to admit, while watching this film.

I felt squeemish when I saw him being overwhumped with Dominic's (his chaperone's) affinity and being made dependent on the group, and him losing the battle of his outside world objectivity being overpowered by the emotional connection with those who hosted him.

I flinched and felt the old uncomfortable feeling I've experienced for years, while in Scientology myself and watching people give strained "wins."

I could see the ron's org members (the older woman in particular) small amounts of the strained wins that to me is the stuff that makes Scientology a real "game" of people playing roles, and faking a lot of stuff, to carry on as members.

I felt I was watching a group of budding Scientologists in their first months or years as they were gradually being "trained" to play their scientologist roles.

Even in the ron's org, there is this same conditioning going on, people following the same scientology conditioning, figuring out their roles, and turning into scientologists.

It is a game. I can't stand it anymore though, honestly.

I see it as just a whole conditioning process, people are obliged into being scientologists and taking on the role LRH laid out is a scientologist's beingness.

This ron's org is just as unaware of how LRH's writings and lectures condition them all into their roles, and what each is to expect and what each is to instill and obtain from each other.

Good people caught up in a totalistic operation, even if it is less smothering than an official scientology organization.

The Sikh star of the show I could see him gradually striving to fit in, and assemble his thoughts into acceptable scientology terminology and then I flinched at seeing him slip over and accept that his realizations were attributable to scientology.

His objectivity was smothered.

I can see why LRH said that auditing should be delivered in intensives, since otherwise the outside world intervenes.

I wholeheartedly believe in having outside world intervention. I am against the intensive application of scientology, as now I can see that the intensive application is what really begins to inflict the "spell" that scientology is capable of instilling on a person.

I vote for regular daily outside world intervention of personal interactions into people's lives. I vote against "intensive" auditing or training, where the "spell" of scientology smothers the balancing countering ideas one usually picks up from the outside world.

Chuck Beatty
Ex-Sea Org (lifetime staffer, 1975-2003)
Routed out March 29, 2003.
Join XSO and network to old Sea Org friends:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XSO/
Chuckbeatty77 @aol.com
http://www.freewebs.com/chuckbeatty77/
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05205/542899.stm
I live in Pittsburgh, anyone feel free to call
me anytime: 412-260-1170







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