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55 ARS POST #17
From: Dave Touretzky ([email protected])
Subject:Re:
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: swapping heads in the Scientology Handbook
Date: 2004-11-02 01:45:31 PST

In response to my query about Tom Paquette, . . . the following intriguing note about photo manipulation in the Scientology Handbook. Enjoy.

No wonder Scentology hates the Internet.

-- Dave Touretzky: "Like the Politburo, but with E-meters."
http://Stop-Narconon.org http://LisaClause.org

. . .
From: xxx [Chuck Beatty]
To: Dave Touretzky

You can see a photo of Tom Paquette, on page 479 of the Scientology Handbook. Tom's the auditor with the dark blue blazer on.

Tom's been an OSA staffer for over a decade, and used to help write the articles against the IRS when the church used to attack the IRS back in the early 90's before the 93 settlement.

For your info, the Scientology Handbook is FULL of photos, mainly of Int Base staff, even some RTC staff in some of the photos, acting like normal "wogs", in the various settings.

On the Int RPF, it's an inside joke that people from uplines who are in the Int RPF see their own photos (mainly their heads) disappear from the identical photos in the latest version of the Scientology Handbook. They got erased from the latest version and replaced with the heads of other staff members who are in better standing currently.

The reason for this photographic editing, is to delete the images of staff who were RPFed or in some case blew and routed off staff.

In fact in the films the church makes, they have had this problem for years, meaning staff in early movies, those staff blew, got busted, left Int, and those staff still appear in the movies, and it embarrasses the church. They have redone some films, and this solved some of the problem. But there is one very famous film, they cannot redo, because LRH did so much personal work on that film, then don't want to mess with it yet. In fact the most embarrassing old staff image is Gerry Armstrong's. Gerry is a famous student in the only film that LRH directed personally, so the church for years has had the problem of not being able to just toss out and redo that film, since it is one almost wholly directed, scripted, music score written, etc., by LRH. They can't mess with it, and haven't. And it has about half a dozen blown and "suppressive" staff in it, and they have to show it anyways to church auditor trainees.

Someone who got two editions of the Scientology Handbook could give the pages of the changed heads, to detail this. Sort of similar work to what Arnie Lerma exposed . . . Chuck Beatty

58 ARS POST #20
From: Chuckbeatty77 ([email protected])
Subject: Re: two stories from the RPF Newsletter
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2004-11-13 19:43:35 PST

[email protected] (Tigger) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> [email protected] (Dave Touretzky) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > The "RPF Insider" series, written by an anonymous informant and posted
> > to ARS by Tory Christman, is going to continue with a new name: the
> > "RPF Newsletter". A lengthy newsletter will be coming soon. In the
> > meantime, the author has two short but sad RPF stories to share with
> > the world.
> >
> > The stories of Matteo Galbiati and Irene Gutensberger are appended
> > below.
> >
> >

Wow! I personally am shocked that Matteo didn't graduate the RPF. When I was on the RPF, at the end. In Dec 02, I was asked who I wished to finish up my auditing, and without question in my opinion Matteo was the best auditor on the RPF. I wanted him to be my auditor for my final auditing. That was not allowed, but to me his skill as a Flag auditor was evident. He to me, was the only person on the PAC RPF what to me represented what I observed in my earlier years at Flag, which is a "Flag trained auditor". Matteo is definitely in my book of that quality of tech person. Matteo is a Flag trained auditor. He had/has excellent TRs, the best of anyone in my opinion in the PAC RPF when I was there.

The way I remember it though, Jill and Matteo both returned to the PAC RPF, and it was a couple months before she then died. I remember Misha Parodi being Jill's buddy, staying with Jill, and Misha, bless her, was Jill's companion till Jill passed. Matteo and Jill were returned, when Jill discovered that her cancer returned, I believe that is the sequence.

But Matteo, I am sorry, but he is an exceptional individual, and even though I do not agree with Scn as a religion, in my opinion it is a loss that he is not auditing as a Sea Org staff member. No matter what the higher ups concluded about his auditing ability, or his tech outnesses, the raw person to person personal contact of the best auditors I met in my RPF years, and that is 7 years of being on the RPF, my highest thoughts go to Ray Mitoff, Pablo Lobato, and Matteo Galbiati. And the only auditors I consider better TRs wise than these 3, who I have met, are Sue Koon and Heidi Stahli, these last two are my all time favorite Scn auditors, and I have to include Murray Chopping (an old Class 12 from Flag).

But Matteo was a Flag auditor in the best sense of what that means. It is tragic the Scn movement is incapable of recognizing the best in their own people, to me this is unfortunate. (What a warped viewpoint mine must seem to some, but it sorrows me, having seen so many great individuals move one way or the other out of the top ranks of the Sea Org.)

Jill herself, to those who know of her history, this is a sad tale also. Misha Parodi was Jill's buddy or companion the final months of Jill's life, and Misha was Jill's buddy or companion earlier too when Jill thought she had beaten the cancer she had. I grew to know Misha, while I was routing out of the Sea Org myself, and Misha was routing out too, and she got out before me. (I was sad in a way to see her leave the Sea Org, her being so young, and her dad, Michael Parodi being such a great guy, and Michael is in the IAS WUS Membership office there in PAC, and it is always sad to see Sea Org families split up, no matter why it happens.)

While we were chipping old paint off the steps and landings in the stairwell closest to L. Ron Hubbard Way in the Lebanon Hall berthing building at the complex in 2002, it was then that Misha told me about her months with Jill, and the funny stories Jill told about her life.

Jill (a Class IX NOTs auditor I believe) would also fall under the techincal definition of celebrity, her brother being a Hollywood screenwriter or scriptwriter, and her brother had something to do with the story line of the movie Private Benjamin, the Goldie Hawn film. And Misha said the story line, Goldie's character, was based indirectly on Jill's life, changing the US Army with the Sea Org, that was the connection. Jill being a Bev Hills child of privilege, rubbing elbows with all sorts of trendy jet setting types. And giving up her Bev Hills life of many opportunities to dedicate her life in the Sea Org, which was an admirable commitment, I cannot myself disparage. I have to applaud Jill for what she felt was right about what she was doing.

To hold Matteo responsible, and to lose his talent as an exceptional auditor, it is just more twists in the odd fates played out in the Scn movement. These people (Jill and Matteo) are very real, very good people, in my book.

> > Gutensberger, Irene -- from Germany. She came to the RPF around 1998
> > from the translation unit in FOLO. She did not do very well on the
> > program and progressed slowly. In 2003 she was accused of creating a
> > serious flap by allegedly causing a fire in the galley with about
> > $130,000 in damages. This was caused by a cleaning rag she supposedly
> > left in a corner that self ignited around 4am. The entire galley was
> > burned out , , , ,. The guilt must have
> > been overwhelming. If anyone knows where she is, please help her.
> >

I knew Irene over the years, in the 80's we worked together for a time on the routing forms project, and in 2002 I was on the RPF's RPF when Irene was in the regular RPF Laundry team, and she made the mistake of leaving the bunched up bunch of incompletely cleaned cleaning rags, that still had some strong cleaning solvents incompletely evaporated, and due to the bunch of incompletely cleaned rags being dumped into the basket and returned to the galley as "clean", when they are actually still saturated in solvent, even though they were dry (one of the deceptive details of this tragedy is that cleaning rags can be dry and still have solvent saturated in them)but the dry rags, being bunched together, covered over in a huge pile, the solvent saturated dry rags still combusted spontaneously. What a foul lesson to learn the hard way.

From talking and working with Irene over the weeks or months until she routed out from the RPF's RPF, she was NOT in the end, torturing herself for her mistake. At first yes, of course, she felt horrible. I certainly did NOT treat her other than as a respected friend and fellow Sea Org member, and others in the RPF's RPF did not ostracize her unduly for her error.

One nice thing about the RPF's RPF, when one is on the way out the door, at least when I was in the RPF's RPF, is that you can relax and act like a normal person and drop some of the Sea Org ingrained weirdities, at least that's how I felt. I NEVER agreed with the Sea Org fad of viciously targeting people like occurs, and it is one reason I am very glad to not be in the Sea Org right now.

Irene's son is already out in the wog world, making good money, in fact I recall Irene telling me he bought Irene this translucent blue super Mark VII emeter so she could get through her RPF program, and so I don't think anyone has to worry much for her. She's reunited with him at least.

I also heard when she first got out, she moved into a nice apartment, and was enjoying her freedom quite nicely. She will do fine!!

Hubert is a great guy, and it is sad that this family is split, and I don't know what to say about that. That is sad is all.

Chuck Beatty

57 ARS POST #19
From: Chuckbeatty77 ([email protected])
Subject:Re: Subject: Re: A more plausible explanation why scientologists are republicans -
re religious cloaking
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2004-11-13 20:56:11 PST

arnie lerma wrote in message
news:...

> The "critics' of scientology mostly went with Kerry after it became
> apparent to scientology's long time foes, that the Bush camp was
> using.the same techniques of information control that scientology
> does.....
>
> What is next for the coming administration?
>
> The Children's Crusades?
>

> Scientology is running out of money and people, their ONLY HOPE for
> the future is to abscond with George W Bush " faith based " monies (
> your tax dollars)...and it appeared that the bulk of scientologists
> were going with GW.
>

> I think ARS should apply for faith based funding
>
> We can call it the First Church of Clamology
>
> Arnie Lerma
>

Hey Arnie, When I was in, I read in the early 80's when I was rumaging around looking through the LRH advices for other things, I saw somewhere, in one of the ABLE issues or advices (which were based on the old SOCO [the old G.O. Social Coordination Bu] advices from LRH), that the church was ultimately to gain sufficient wog acceptance so it was granted Govt funding for the ABLE sub-entities' activities. So this trend is stamped in metal, eternally, since this is scriptural strategic level stuff to them. From here on out it will always be in the back of their minds to go for govt funding for ABLE programs any way they can get it. I agree it sure looks like they are trying to hitch a ride on this Republican band-wagon. We'll see how the US church/state separation holds up.

Chuck Beatty

56 ARS POST #18
From: Chuckbeatty77 ([email protected])
Subject: Re: List of Scientology operations in LA area?

Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2004-11-15 23:20:19 PST

bt wrote in message news:...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Magoo" wrote:
>
> >
> > There are many more, but those are key ones. Why?
>

> Thanks. Just following up on my curiosity about the extent of their
> operation... I am aware of the ones you mention, plus "Author Services"
> on Hollywood Blvd (though I have no clue what's inside there) and the
> "Psychiatry Kills" place on Sunset. I wonder how extensive their
> operation is, and especially whether there are some other spots that
> offer tours, movies, etc.

Don't forget the Hubbard College of Administration (HCA), on Vermont, just across from the Vermont and Beverly subway stop. There isn't really a display, but they have a whole newish facility for just admin training and anyone can go in there, at least to their reception area, and if they are interested, there's someone who will show them around and try to sell them on admin training.

Also, when I was leaving the PAC RPF, some of PAC RPFers were working on a building cycle, which was for Gold, and I suspected that Golden Era Studios was building a site for audio recording there in LA, so that Gold could record musicians and so forth, there in LA, rather than have to get the pro talent to get clearances so they could go to the studios at the Int Base. So I believe by now, Gold has some facilities, somewhere in LA, where they have pro talent record, for Gold projects.

Someone should have stumbled on this new facility, hopefully, by now.

Chuck Beatty

58 ARS POST #20
From: Chuckbeatty77 ([email protected])
Subject: Re: two stories from the RPF Newsletter
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2004-11-15 23:38:10 PST

[email protected] (ida j. camburn) wrote in message
> > SNIP
>
> Chuck Do you know what treatment Jill had when she first discovered she
> had cancer? Did she have proper medical care or like my son just more
> "auditing" in Clearwater?
>
> Ida Camburn

Ida,

I recall that Jill had chemo therapy, and extensive regular medical doctor treatments, and that she lived an amazingly long, extra amount of time beyond what the doctors originally thought she should have. Before her relapse or whatever the term is for the cancer coming back, the doctors were particularly surprised, she told us RPFers in briefings she occassionally gave us. Her type of cancer was the type that normally is fatal much quicker than it was in her case. She got good treatment, and lived longer than they predicted by many months or even a year or so, from what I recall. She was not neglected medically that I heard.

Chuck Beatty

59 ARS POST #21
From: Chuckbeatty77 ([email protected])
Subject: Re: RPF Newsletter #9: Ben Atwood
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2004-11-16 00:15:14 PST

[email protected] (Dave Touretzky) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Another profile in the RPF Newsletter #9 series: Ben Atwood.
>
> ===============================================================
>
> Atwood, Ben -- from the US. Came from GOLD and was in the SO many
> years, at least 20 or more, and he's in his late fifties. He worked
> at Int for many years.

. . .

I knew Ben back in 1983, and off and on since, as an acquaintance, and I met him on the PAC RPF.

Ben gave up completing his education to join the Scn movement. He had been going to Harvard, and dropped out.

Ben had also been listed for years, as a Patron, with Vivian, his wife, and they both were Int Base staffers for years and years. In this latest IMPACT magazine, it looks like he's no longer listed as a Patron.

Ben's photo is on page 423 of the Scn Handbook. He's the man on the couch. (The Scn Handbook has a dozen or so edited and cut and pasted photos to delete the "bad" staff and replace them with newer faces of staff who are in good standing as staff, and the next edition of the Scn Handbook will likely lose this photo of Ben.)

Chuck Beatty

60 ARS POST #21
From: Chuckbeatty77 ([email protected])
Subject: Re: RPF Newsletter: Emilio Bertinato's TEN YEARS on the RPF!!!
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2004-11-17 00:08:57 PST

[email protected] (Dave Touretzky) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Here's the latest installment of RPF Newsletter #9: poor Emilio
> Bertinato spent TEN YEARS on the RPF with zero pay, because he was not
a citizen or greencard holder. Then he got offloaded. Sickening.
>
> ================================================================
>
> Bertinato, Emilio -- from Italy. He was FB (Flag Bureaux) staff
> before he was RPFed way back in 1994. He got off the RPF program for
> a short time back then, and was sent on a mission to Canada which he
> somehow "messed up" so he got RPFed again. He was on the RPF for
> about 10 (ten) YEARS with several twins. Emilio had the longest RPF
> sentence I have heard of. Many times he was targeted and humiliated
> as a "bad example" in front of other RPFers by the RPF I/C Alex Meyer
> for spending so much time on the program and never getting graduated.
>
> When Matteo Galbiati was reassigned to the RPF, after his twin Jill
. . . .

This post to me is one of the best ones yet about the PAC RPF, thank you very much for posting this.

To me, there are some major goofs the Sea Org commits routinely, one is getting rid of good people. ]

Emilio overall, from the time I was on the PAC RPF, was an excellent worker, totally professional, a really highly skilled worker, unbelievable fast and excellent quality work. Same with Mathias Gahwiller, who was covered in another post.

The people so far detailed as being ousted from the Sea Org, from the PAC RPF, I would NOT have ousted them, I would have done what is called a reprieve, and kept them.

None of them should have been offloaded, they are very skilled and hardworking people, that are so far above the average Sea Org members in the PAC Sea Org orgs, it is really a serious waste to be off-loading those individuals.

There is a fundamental LRH reference that should be taken to heart, it is the LRH datum in the Scn Ethics Book, the new one, that says (I paraphrase), that a person's worth needs to be always considered and even if the person is guilty of whatever misdemeanor or crime (the church misdemeanors and crimes, not wog misdemeanors and crimes), the person's personal value takes precedence in determining the course to take with that person (meaning don't shoot valuable hardworking people, no matter if they are in fact guilty of whatever screwups they committed).

I have observed that those in authority, at the CLO WUS level, are incapable of correctly valuing these indvididuals being offloaded, and instead the CLO ought to be reprieving them, and absorbing these skilled and long valued Sea Org members into the PAC area orgs.

Personally, if a person wants OUT, then they should of course be offloaded. But I think most of guys being offloaded did NOT want to leave the Sea Org, although that is not known to me, and I do wish to find out if these valuable staff being offloaded themselves wished to leave, and if so, then I wholeheartedly support them leaving.

But if those Sea Org members being offloaded from the RPF, like Emilio, like Tom Brandis, like Ben Atwood, like Mattias (if he got offloaded), then that is really a serious wastage of very valuable staff members.

If a person wants out of the Sea Org, then great, let them go.

In my years in the Int RPF, Jul 95 til Nov 2000, and my time in the PAC RPF, Nov 2000 till Mar 2003, I saw less than 5 reprieves. That was a serious omission compared to past years in my 27 year total time in the Sea Org. In earlier years, there were more reprieves.

Reprieves appear not to be in current fashion, which is one fashion I think the Sea Org currently would do well to reconsider, so as not to lose these valuable Sea Org staff they apprear to be losing.

One last opinion, I heard that Chris Guider, who is the Int Base RPF, is the one who is intervening on some of these offloads of PAC RPFers, namely the PAC RPFers who are people that were on Chris' Int RPF, and who were demoted to the PAC RPF. Chris most likely is intervening for security reasons, since he knows all about these individuals, their having been under his care on the Int RPF, and since the PAC RPF I/C, Alex Meyer, is NOT privy to information abou the Int Base and the Int RPF members' situations, like the details why these former Int RPF members were busted from their Int level orgs. So my guess is that Chris has had to intervene, and sort out what to do with these former Int Base staffers who now are failing to get through the PAC RPF.

My opinion is that Chris either following orders, or he himself is the one proposing these offloads, it is either one of the two.

In either case, I think the omission on his part, or on his superiors' parts, is NOT to take into consideration the overall worth of these people being offloaded, and to consider repreiving them instead of offloading them.

It looks like the Int RPF I/C is holding the line on the basic LRH RPF datum that if a person can't get themselves through the RPF, then that person is sent out the back door, back into the wog world and they become a freeloader and then a normal Scn public person again.

I think one omission from this current church viewpoint is the ethics book datum on the basic overall worth of the person (which in the case of several of these recent RPF offloads I think was wrong to offload, and instead they should have reprieved).

And finally, I have to comment that really, overall, having considered the whole RPF scene, having been on it way too long myself (7 years), and having given a lot of thought to the RPF's many rules and having watched how things have played out for dozens and dozens of people over those 7 years, and looking at these recent offloads from the RPF, LRH himself only states specifically, only ONE reason a person fails on the RPF. It is stated in either #1 or #0 new RPF Series issue, that the only failure of the RPF these days, is a case failure. Meaning that those failing the RPF, fail for case reasons.

That is the key key, internal datum NOT being addressed correctly from what I can see.

The RPF is a twisted around scenario, as covered in other posts. No one is responsible for their OWN case getting handled, one's RPF partner (one's "twin") is responsible for handling one's case.

So each RPFer is at the mercy of their "twin" (the person they are co-working with, each person is responsible for the OTHER person that is their partner in getting each other throught the RPF auditing).

LRH in his technical issues lays out how to match up people to get each other through the RPF, and if that isn't done, then a person's case is not handled, and they don't get through. Simple as that.

Again, the chain of command OVER the RPF have to make the responsible call, whether the failure was a screw up in the matching up of people to "twin" and get each other through, because that CAN be a very valid reason for failure.

And then finally, if a person's case is so screwed up, that another normal RPFer cannot debug that person's case, then even though the person may be a brilliant worker and excellent staff member contributing greatly to productive actions while in the RPF, the "failed case" RPFer is routed out.

That is an error in the ethics datum from the Ethics book, I mentioned above.

I realize my post is very long winded, sorry. And I realize this whole post is very very slanted towards assuming so many things which normal posters regarding the Sea Org and RPF consider blatantly ridiculous and I am sure many many wonder why I even spent any time going over this.

I did this, only to point out to the Sea Org Members who may be reading this, what I think is the current mistake that they are making themselves, which they could correct, and save themselves a few individuals who they shouldn't be tossing out, at this time. Let the guys who want out, let them out. The guys who want to stay, even though they been on the RPF forever, then weigh their worths, and let the good workers stay, repreive them.

My own feelings are of course, to NOT stick around in the Sea Org, and not to support it, since I don't agree with the Scn religious beliefs.

I am only pointing out they appear to be losing good staff, and are very likely not giving their valued staff the credit they should be given per their own policies, and Chris Guider and Alex Meyer, and others above them in the chain of command, ought to check out page 364, bottom paragraph of the current Ethics book, where the LRH dataum is about weighing the value of a person in general, before they toss them out the back door. The guys with a good balance sheet of production and who are really valuable, ought not be tossed out, not unless they want to get out.

Emilio should have been reprieved years ago, about 8 years ago, and they'd have salvaged a valuable Sea Org member.

Chuck Beatty

61 ARS POST #22
From: Chuckbeatty77 ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Leaves in the Sea Org (was Re: RPF Newsletter # 9 Preview: Maria Fallegger)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2004-11-17 21:58:28 PST

[email protected] (Lulu Belle) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> [email protected] (Dave Touretzky) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
> There are very few auditors available for the
> > staff, especially for the higher case levels, and the few who do exist
> > are required to service the staff who are really sick or who are
> > important executives.
> >
> > So in the end, most staff give up the idea of ever taking the annual
> > LOA they were promised when they joined the Sea Org to see family, or
> > attend a funeral or wedding or other important "2nd dynamic" activity.
> > These two points, a replacement and the sec check, are such a barrier
> > that most staff (and especially RPFers) don't even try, and go into
> > Apathy over the idea of ever visiting their family. This is why you
> > hear stories about Sea Org members "kept like prisoners", "never
> > allowed to see their families" and "cannot leave", etc.
>
>
>
> Of all the bullshit in the Sea Org, the "annual leave" one is the
> biggest piece of all.
>
> . . .
> However, the Catch 22 of this is that, if you have a family situation
> like this, you are considered to have a "PTS situation." And there is
> an LRH reference that says that, if a staff member has a PTS
> situation, he shouldn't be allowed to leave.
>
> So, besides the mess of finding a replacement, getting your Going On
> LOA sec check, etc. and all the other convolutions a staff member has
> to go through to be allowed a leave, the person has to figure out a
> way to dance around this situation so he can get out.
. . .
>

> Even if the staff member has a leave that is supposedly approved, and
> has done all the things he is supposed to do to be able to go, it can
> and will quite often be cancelled anyway. Before a staff member can
> leave, the head person in the org (usually the CO, or Commanding
> Officer) has to sign the person's CSW approving him to go. Usually the
> staff member winds up chasing around the CO to sign off on his CSW
> right up to the time he is heading out the door. Many times, at the
> last minute, the CO disapproves it. Then the staff member is fucked,
> prepaid plane tickets or not.
>
. . .
> The result of all this is that most staff don't even try. As much of
> an antagonistic situation it creates with the person's family if the
> person never goes on a leave, it's even worse when the family is
> expecting the person to come home and the person cancels at the last
> minute. (Not to mention it's often the family who pays for the
> non-refundable plane tickets.)
>
> And the fact that most staff don't even try makes it even harder for
> those who *do* try.
. . .

Hello Lulu Belle,

I have two quick exceptions to add, which each have their own odd ramifications.
1) Norman Starkey was rumored for years, in the 80's, as an example of a Sea Org member who took his 3 week leave each year, proudly, and he was held up like a disproof of the counter views which you stated above. Starkey in the end (by the mid-90's after he'd been busted from ED ASI several times) I think he too succumbed to the same pressures you outlined above, and had to skip his yearly LOA though.
2) I skipped two family reunions, over a 9 year period 1992-2001), so that when in 2002 the 3rd family reunion was coming around, and I unfortunately was in the RPF's RPF, I knew 7 months in advance of this upcoming reunion that I had a potentially monumental flap brewing. In spring of 2002 I warned the PAC RPF I/C Alex Meyer that I would attend this upcoming reunion no matter what. I gave a 7 months warning. I was assured I'd be routed out of the Sea Org well before my reunion (I was on the RPF's RPF and trying to route out of the Sea Org in Jan 2002). But I was correct in my estimation of the then situation in the PAC RPF, and they didn't have my routing out done by the time of my family reunion. September 2002 arrived, my going on leave sec check was messed up twice, and I didn't have case okay. I knew 7 months ago this would all go wrong, and in the end, I told the RPF I/C that I was going anyways, and it would be his ass, not mine, since I gave 7 months warning. I didn't like being on his RPF trying to get routed out, and 7 months to route out is a complete fucking joke of accumulated incompetences. They let me go on my leave to my family reunion, but sent a person to tail me, to ensure I wouldn't blow, what a comedy. I didn't have okay to actually go, and the RPF I/C PAC, had to just get okay from OSA for me to go, so as not to piss me so off that I did something rash like contact the press or the police. I went to my family reunion, I ignored my "watch", and didn't allow him to stay anywhere near my brother's house. My watch told me later he came up to my brother's house to see if he could look in the window to verify that I was in the house, and when I told my brother about this later, I had to play it down so as not to freak my brother out. The guy who was my watch on my Leave of Absence was a nice Sea Org member, the same guy who did my going on leave sec check (there are so many details of the mind boggling rules in the RPF and the Sea Org, and dealing with persons like myself, a terminally fatally disaffected former Int Cleared Sea Org member who is routing out of the Sea Org and who is on the RPF's RPF yet has to go on leave to a family reunion, the actual facts of what happened are simply incomprehensible to an outsider, it is truly a whole other bizarre universe of petty rules, bureacratic incompetences, and unfortunate ramifications due to LRH's fundamentally un-thought-out orders).

But the point is, even is this ridiculous almost worst case scenario, they HAD to let me go to my family reunion.

The Sea Org member leave of absence is a suppressive can't have run on Sea Org members by the Sea Org at this time. Maybe in years long long ago, or even now occassionally it may have been granted in good faith.

But for decades now it has devolved for the majority of Sea Org members into a suppressive can't have.

It is something that Sea Org members have to revive themselves and handle this, so they take advantage of it. Outside intervention won't do it on this issue.

Chuck Beatty

62 ARS POST #23
From: Chuckbeatty77 ([email protected])
Subject: Conference Statement, November 10, 2004, Novosibirsk, Russia,
"Scientology, the Cult of Total Espionage"
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2004-11-18 12:13:06 PST

"roger gonnet" wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Ted Mayett" a écrit dans le message de news:
> [email protected]
> > On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:08:02 GMT, Gerry Armstrong
> > wrote:
> >
> >>The conference on November 9 - 11 in Novosibirsk, Russia entitled
> >>"Totalitarian Cults and the Democratic State" was a tremendous
> >>success, and an historic occasion in the cult struggle. I'll write a
> >>report and we'll web it with some exciting photos when we're able to.
> >>
> >>For now we've webbed my conference statement (text follows)
> >>"Scientology, the Cult of Total Espionage" with one photo and a bunch
> >>of links at:
> >>http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/scientology-cult-of-total-espionage.html
> >>
> >>Check out our What's New Page too:
> >>http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/new.html
> >>
> >
> > Awesome!
>
> Bravo!!
>
> roger
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ted Mayett OT 1.1
> > http://www.solitarytrees.net/pickets/links.htm

Gerry,

Your excellent excellent statement/talk belies the lies they try to run on you.

This excellent writeup on the Scn movement could not have been written by the person the Scn movement tries to paint you as.

I recommend anyone who has been longtime in the Scn movement, in the Sea Org or who have been a Scn public, anyone who has been fed the diet of black PR disinformation the Scn movement showers on its "critics", I urge those people to slow down for a moment. Take the time to read Gerry's recent letters and his ongoing work.

Gerry, keep up your extraordinarily valuable efforts to do what you believe is right.

You are RIGHT in my book! Thankyou very much.

Best, Chuck Beatty
ex-Sea Org 27 years, '75-'03

63 ARS POST #24
From: Chuckbeatty77 ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Scientology Testing Center STILL Gutted
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2004-11-12 14:06:43 PST

"Ghost_In_The_Shell" wrote in message news:...
> "Magoo" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > Just for the record, it's November,
> > 2004 and the Scientology Testing Center is ~still~ as of tonight, gutted
> > with no one working on it.
> >
> > What's up, Scientology?
> >
> > Runnin out of $$$?
>
> Hard to persue all those lawsuits when you have those pesky construction
> projects to consider. Something's got to give...

Tory, What I recall, when I was on the PAC RPF in about 2001, and we PAC RPFers did a minor patch up renos of the testing center, just to get it opened up again so they could use it as a stopgap measure, is that LONG RANGE they needed much more funding, like a pretty hefty chunk of $$ to do the full renovations that were APPROVED, which means a whole BIG cycle.

All the PAC orgs, ASHOD, ASHOF, AOLA and LAD and LAF over the years have been contributing to the total renos $$ for the Testing Center, since the Testing Center is the key intro area for the whole PAC Bridge. Thus, they consider this very KEY, in otherwords these renos are very important to be done right, because it will hopefully affect the whole PAC area bridge, to bring people in properly. And rightly so, from their viewpoint, this location of the testing center is a primo spot. With the level of tourism that has improved over the years on Hollywood Blvd, their testing center has a lot of hope placed on it.

So the factors are really $$. In 2001 it was mainly the $$ still needed for the overall budget to do the full BIG already approved renos plans, and I suppose if right now the Testing Center is already gutted, they wouldn't have gone ahead with those demolitions if they didn't expect that their $$ was pretty much a for sure thing.

There are the week to week inevitable financial flaps and competition for $$ for funding the inevitable events that occur in PAC each year, like right now the IAS event and the upcoming New Years Event both take precedence and require funding. This has probably thrown them off of reaching their final $$ setasides targets needed for the overall budget for the Test Center renos, but they must have been pretty close to reaching their budget setasides targets, and that is why they went ahead with the gutting, getting ready for this final major Renos that's been planned for many many years. There are LRH advices on the Testing Center, which they will be executing once they do it fully and correctly this time, hopefully, from their viewpoint.

Unlike how they sometimes reg public, the church wisely (and per their own policy, I have to admit in my opinion this is sound organizational policy) they don't expend their money on renos until they HAVE the money first. One of the minor ongoing gripes I have with church financial survival tactics, is that regs seem to inevitably cyclically and periodically overreg parishioners, pushing parishioners into debt to do services.

Chuck Beatty

64 ARS POST #25
From: Chuckbeatty77 ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Scientology Testing Center STILL Gutted
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2004-11-13 14:48:40 PST

"Magoo" wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Chuck Beatty" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
> > "Ghost_In_The_Shell" wrote in message
> > news:...
> >> "Magoo" wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]
> >> > Just for the record, it's November,
> >> > 2004 and the Scientology Testing Center is ~still~ as of tonight,
> >> > gutted
> >> > with no one working on it.
> >> >
> >> > What's up, Scientology?
> >> >
> >> > Runnin out of $$$?
> >>
> >> Hard to persue all those lawsuits when you have those pesky construction
> >> projects to consider. Something's got to give...
> >
> > Tory, What I recall, when I was on the PAC RPF in about 2001, and we
> > PAC RPFers did a minor patch up renos of the testing center, just to
> > get it opened up again so they could use it as a stopgap measure, is
> > that LONG RANGE they needed much more funding, like a pretty hefty
> > chunk of $$ to do the full renovations that were APPROVED, which means
> > a whole BIG cycle.
> >
> > All the PAC orgs, ASHOD, ASHOF, AOLA and LAD and LAF over the years
> > have been contributing to the total renos $$ for the Testing Center,
> > since the Testing Center is the key intro area for the whole PAC
> > Bridge. Thus, they consider this very KEY, in otherwords these renos
> > are very important to be done right, because it will hopefully affect
> > the whole PAC area bridge, to bring people in properly. And rightly
> > so, from their viewpoint, this location of the testing center is a
> > primo spot. With the level of tourism that has improved over the
> > years on Hollywood Blvd, their testing center has a lot of hope placed
> > on it.
> >
> > So the factors are really $$. In 2001 it was mainly the $$ still
> > needed for the overall budget to do the full BIG already approved
> > renos plans, and I suppose if right now the Testing Center is already
> > gutted, they wouldn't have gone ahead with those demolitions if they
> > didn't expect that their $$ was pretty much a for sure thing.
> >
> > There are the week to week inevitable financial flaps and competition
> > for $$ for funding the inevitable events that occur in PAC each year,
> > like right now the IAS event and the upcoming New Years Event both
> > take precedence and require funding. This has probably thrown them
> > off of reaching their final $$ setasides targets needed for the
> > overall budget for the Test Center renos, but they must have been
> > pretty close to reaching their budget setasides targets, and that is
> > why they went ahead with the gutting, getting ready for this final
> > major Renos that's been planned for many many years. There are LRH
> > advices on the Testing Center, which they will be executing once they
> > do it fully and correctly this time, hopefully, from their viewpoint.
> >
> > Unlike how they sometimes reg public, the church wisely (and per their
> > own policy, I have to admit in my opinion this is sound organizational
> > policy) they don't expend their money on renos until they HAVE the
> > money first. One of the minor ongoing gripes I have with church
> > financial survival tactics, is that regs seem to inevitably cyclically
> > and periodically overreg parishioners, pushing parishioners into debt
> > to do services.
> >
> > Chuck Beatty
>
> Thanks for the data...I appreciate it.
>
> We'll see what happens. It just sure seems like a long time, for C of S.
> They usually (esp. in such a pubic area) would have that whipped up in no
> time. >BR>>
> Oh well, I'm sure they'll have the Xmas/Santa charade out, even though they
> don't believe in Christ. One more PR event, eh?
>
> Tory/Magoo~

Tory, On the Santa charade and celebration of Christmas, yes, that is truly an interesting facet of the movement. I for one looked forward to Christmas, when I was a Sea Org member, because everyone knew and agreed (most of the years I was in the Sea Org) that Christmas at least was worth 1 and in later years, 2 days off, and no one really held those meager moments of free time against you. I never wanted to lose Christmas as a Sea Org member, because that'd mean losing that precious time off, and all the partying that went with the Christmas and New Years' almost automatic time off. I think that is why no one will be offering to give up Christmas anytime soon in the Sea Org.
Oh, one NICE thing about the Santa charade on Hollywoord Blvd, and also the really nice thing about all the event setups, from an RPFer's point of view. If you are on one of the two teams of RPFers that goes gets to set up the Hollywoof Inn Santa's Wonderland set, then you get to go out into the wog world and the bus ride over to the Hollywood Inn from the complex, for the everyday isolated RPFer is quite a break. The RPF team members had to get a "meter check" which was a question on the meter from one of the RPF MAAs, asking something along the lines of "Do you have any intention to blow" and a second question like "Have you had any bad thoughts recently?" both questions had to be clean and no dirty needles, or you weren't allowed to go over and help set up the Winter Wonderland by the Hollywood Inn. If anyone in LA wants to get a gander at who is in good graces on the RPF, go watch the specially selected PAC RPFers trusted enough to go set up the Winder Wonderland, which I believe starts after Thanksgiving. The PAC RPF schedule, will be from about 9am till about 3pm, and it'll be Mondays to Fridays, and it takes a number of weeks to set up. If the observer knows their Sea Org members, they can extrapolate quite a bit of info from who is allowed to go over there. RPF members do the setups and from the RPF members viewpoints, it is a fun break for them to be able to go over and do this setup.
Chuck Beatty

65 ARS POST #26
From: Chuckbeatty77 ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Scientology Testing Center STILL Gutted
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2004-11-14 21:19:07 PST

bt wrote in message news:...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Chuck Beatty) wrote:
>
> > If anyone in
> > LA wants to get a gander at who is in good graces on the RPF, go watch
> > the specially selected PAC RPFers trusted enough to go set up the
> > Winder Wonderland, which I believe starts after Thanksgiving.
>
> Chuck, your posts are fascinating to me, as a curious non-involved
> observer of Scientology (I live in Hollywood, not far from the Blue
> Complex).
>
> You described the role of the testing center on Hwd Bvd. How does the
> LRH Life Exhibition fit in to the grand scheme? Do they expect to do any
> recruiting there, or is it entirely pitched at existing Scientologists?
> And what is the status of the people to working there (tour guides,
> etc.)? When I took the guided tour, there were a couple of people on
> the tour who appeared to be shills, exclaiming about Hubbard's amazing
> insights, etc. Is this a standard part of the tour?

bt,
Not sure about any LRH writings or instructions on the LRH Life Exhibition, I don't recall LRH ordering anything to do with it.

I believe it is just a tribute to his life, in a safe space, (the upper floors of that same building house over 500 dedicated lifetime church staff members doing their extensive administrative functions for the church).

In 1986 he passed away, and 1989 the building opened, and in 1990 I believe the Exhibition opened.

I think it was just the bright idea for the exhibition from an accumulation of bright ideas of the top guys, like David Miscavage, Norman Starkey. But I do not know this to be a fact, this is my educated guess.

It definitely is NOT for recruiting, and the only offering that you might be offered is some glossy softbound presentations of LRH's Life, and possibly the large photographic book, called Images of a Lifetime. The publications that are offered at the reception are not hawked, though, and the Exhibition is a safe place to introduce someone to the hyped highlights of LRH's life, and the awards he received for his work in the various fields he was involved in. There is nothing else done at the end of the tour, no recruiting for church services, nothing like that, as you already experienced.

The Life Exhibition is simply a means to introduce regular non-Scientology public and VIP guests, Scientologist's family members, and also out-of-towner Scientologists who are visiting LA, to LRH.

This exhition was really a new thing at that time it was first built. Now the church has since done numerous world traveling shows of LRH's life. and most recently even, the brand new renovated churches in the US and around the world often have their own mini exhibit rooms, for basically the same purpose, as this one.

(There is probably a web site too, if you want to get the Scn rundown on the exhibition.)

This Hollywood exhibition was also to sort of be another exhibit along Hollywood Blvd, in the spirit of the other venues along Hollywood Blvd. Since the LRH Exhibit showcases LRH's fiction writer days, and LRH did a few screenplays for Hollywood, and the exhibit sort of ties that into the Hollywood show business milieu. Since the exhibit is also still free, it really is a raw goodwill dissemination introduction into all of LRH's life.

(I have mixed feelings about the exhibit, one of my relatives almost got physically sick and was repulsed by LRH's vanity, and how one-sided in unrealistic praise the exhibit was about LRH's life. On the otherhand, I love the colorful tacky pulp magazine covers, and I loved the adventure tales of which I have read dozens, that LRH wrote. The giddy hype and escapism is in the best Hollywood tradition.)

I don't think they assign shills to the tours, but they do usually require a group of 3 or 4 people before they start a tour, and you maybe were accompanied by some staff who were also taking along their parents, or some such, and I have noticed Scientology staff (meaning most likely the staff of which there are about 500 working in the upper floors of this same building), going on this tour with their parents usually cannot contain themselves and add glowing praise of LRH to the already overhyped displays in the exhibition.

Regarding the tour guides, they for sure will pump up LRH in their characteristic uptone way. The tour guides are Sea Org members (lifetime staff members), they are in the LRH Public Relations Office, stationed there in the building as their full time jobs. There are usually two on duty at a time, one to lead the tour, one to man reception. They can call upstairs for backup if a flood of people come in, and they need to run multiple tours.

Best time to get a tour, is Thursday after lunch and before 2pm, as you can be assured to get a quick efficient tour. Thursday 2pm is their statistic deadline, and they will bend over backwards in trying to get as many people through before their weekly quota deadline is up. You will oftentimes find that in any Scientology church, you will get especially peppy service on Thursday's as a rule.

Oh, one last thought. It could have been that on the tour you went on, those shills may have just been visitng Scientologists from other parts of the US, who were here in LA for their first time, as those types of Scientologists will come do the LRH Life exhibition tour for sure when they make it to LA. Out of town Scientologists would NOT miss going to the Exhibition. Visiting Scientologists from out of town, will be pretty excited to be there, and that may have been what was showing on your tour.

Chuck Beatty

66 ARS POST #27
From: Chuckbeatty77 ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Scientology Testing Center STILL Gutted
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2004-11-19 12:53:04 PST

Shy David / Desertphile wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> On 14 Nov 2004 21:19:06 -0800, [email protected] (Chuck Beatty)
> wrote:
>
> >bt,
> >Not sure about any LRH writings or instructions on the LRH Life
> >Exhibition, I don't recall LRH ordering anything to do with it.
> >
> >I believe it is just a tribute to his life, in a safe space, (the
> >upper floors of that same building house over 500 dedicated lifetime
> >church staff members doing their extensive administrative functions
> >for the church).
>
> You use the word "church"now and then when writing about Scientology
> Inc. Do you really believe the sinister business to be a church? If
> so, why? (Certainly none of the upper management believe it.)
>
>
> ---

Dear Shy David,

Why I use the word church occasionally, just my error. Being in for 27 years, you know a lot of the think just doesn't wipe off.

Also, to get technical, I don't use the word sect, and I think technically the word sect is the scholarly correct technical term for the Scn movement. I normally just use the word "Scn movement", but "church" I use and don't worry too much, also, because I know people know what I am talking about.

Ever read Roy Wallis' book? I'm reading it now, and it gives the authoritative, wog academic correct view on the Scn movement. Wallis' book I believe it is still the benchmark from the wog technically correct view on what Scn is categorized as.

My favorite wogs on the Scn movement are Wallis, Kent and Touretzky.

Best, Chuck Beatty

67 ARS POST #28
From: Chuckbeatty77 ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Scientology Testing Center STILL Gutted
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2004-11-13 14:32:58 PST

Ted Mayett wrote in message
news:...
> On 12 Nov 2004 14:06:42 -0800, [email protected] (Chuck Beatty)
> wrote:
>
> >There are the week to week inevitable financial flaps and competition
> >for $$ for funding the inevitable events that occur in PAC each year,
> >like right now the IAS event and the upcoming New Years Event both
> >take precedence and require funding.
>
> Do you have any idea on what they pay to rent the Shrine Auditorium,
> and all the extra equipment that they use at the New Years Event?

Ted, I recall it was about 30-35 G's for the Shrine event rental, which included the seating hall for the event, plus the adjacent anex where the after the event LRH properties were on sale, etc., and the eating, partying was done in the anex. But the figure of 30-35 G's, and that bought the Shrine spaces for I think 48 hours or so. IT IS MUCH MUCH CHEAPER doing the event on LRH Way of course. They already have a lot of the elements for putting on the LRH Way and Parking Lot events, but they have to rent a number of things. Over the years they accumulate more and more of the elements for the LRH Way events, and they store these items nearby and pull them out each summer for the Summer Events, and other times of the year. So costs for the LRH Way events are already to some degree covered. They do their own banners, they have the machine for making the banners and signage. They have been accumulating years of experience and their event setups and production is one area the Sea Org has gained a lot of expertise in over the years. Anyone who remembers the old events in the 80's can testify to that. Might as well enjoy the partying, and they hold a half dozen or so each year, and those event/parties are guaranteed, unavoidable fixtures of the movement, by which the movement's activities can be majorly predicted.
Chuck Beatty

76 ARS POST #36
From: Chuckbeatty77 ([email protected])
Subject: Re: Chris Guider and Gary Conley, both old Inspecter General
Master at Arms RTC (IG MAA RTC)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2004-11-19 10:39:27 PST

[email protected] (Lulu Belle) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> [email protected] (Chuck Beatty) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
>
>
>
>
> > In my 27 years experience, the internal screwups are due to the fact
> > that Sea Org terminals in positions of authority set in place trends
> > that unfortunately overshadow other LRH policies, usually due to their
> > not being broadminded enough to take into consideration those other
> > LRH datums (and sometimes not being aware of these other LRH datums),
> > and not being able to truly think and judge what to do correctly, and
> > thus not being able to foresee the ramifications of their actions.
>
>
>
> EEEEEK!
>
> You're doing it again, Chick.
>
> I'm very sorry, but you're making me nuts with this stuff.
>
> It gives the impression that if you could just sit down with these
> REASONABLE people and EXPLAIN to them quite REASONABLY that they are
> making mistakes, probably because they are not AWARE of the fact that
> there is LRH policies that says that they probably shouldn't be doing
> what they're doing, that they will SEE THE LIGHT and CHANGE.
>
> It reminds me of these public who would write these long long LONG
> Knowedge Reports to Int Management about the injustices they received
> regarding having to pay for sec checks on OT VI or being comm eved by
> order of some management person or whatever. With reams of LRH
> references attached to the KR.
>
> Thinking that if only they would SEE that what they were doing was not
> following LRH policy that everything would be reversed and it would
> all come out OK.
>
> Rather than what actually happens with these things: The KR is sent
> back to the org where the person is on lines and the org is told to
> "pull the person in for more sec checks" for "nattering."
>
> It also reminds me of a woman who keeps getting beat up by her
> husband, who keeps thinking that IF ONLY HE COULD SEE THAT HE IS
> HURTING HER HE WOULD STOP.
>
> Sorry, again.
>
> But when I see this kind of stuff, it just makes me crazy.

Thanks Lulu Belle for your patience,

I AM still mentally going through a transition, each time I go over this stuff in my head.

For sure, I see what you mean.

I saw and read quite a few of those long public written KRs when I used to help on the all-hands filing in Snr HCO Int, (violating the route don't read rule that Dir Comms were supposed to follow, but again that's the kind of person I was, I loved reading, and I definitely sided with the people writing those long KRs), so you're spot on with your observation.

One other thing that intrigued me were the endless Evaluations, the administrative ones, which supposedly sort out the screwup situations that are continually being evaluated and "sorted out".

Today and for the last twenty plus years, in the Exec Strata at Int, the Eval Corps gets assigned lists of situations to evaluate, and they have to sort them out.

Eval Corps is always overloaded, and the evals get assigned to others in Exec Strata, and when the important evals don't get done, then they sometimes roll up to CMO Int terminals, the WDC Members over the sectors, to actually do the needed evals.

Evals are an ongoing thing, and evals determine which way the wind blows, evals initiate strategy revision, evals initiate all the NEW things that appear on the Scn horizon.

So the RPF screwups we see in PAC and at Int, depending on how bad things go as a result of all the flaps happening, this scene will get assigned to an evaluator from Exec Strata or to a CMO Int terminal, and they will have to then cover the LRH material to solve the screwup situation.

So in the back of my mind, I'm still thinking in their terms, thinking what LRH policies they will themselves have to apply when they finally sort out the area.

It'd be great to get Janis Grady and Paul Grady to come forward with their views on the 80's, since they both were on those lines inside out and backwards.

There is nothing new under the sun as they've already evaluated things inside out and backwards (in the last 3 decades now), and it is mainly omissions of past LRH advices, orders and policies that they discover were omitted, when they handle their internal screwups. And their bright idea handlings are based on the omitted policies and the long lost neglected LRH bright ideas that were never fully realized in the past.

I think historically, I try to think in terms of what is going on inside the heads of those there. And I'm curious as to what evals and situations and strategies they are working on, and have worked on over the years, getting all this recorded historically.

You see how far off mentally I am still, even though I am out of the Sea Org, and obviously with the anti-Scn movement, but you can get a glimpse, via me, of what even more steadfast Sea Org members inside, what rattles around in their skulls on trying to keep themselves inside and operating.

A big crashing blow to that mentality I don't think does the trick. Possibly it would, like the Pavlov experiment Arnie Lerma told me about, when Pavlov discovered when the freezing water leaked into Pavlov's lab, and the dogs were almost drowning in the freezing water, but the dogs survived, and this engramic moment erased the dogs' months of conditioning. Maybe that is what I will conclude, in the future. (Right now, I' still rattling.)

Best, Chuck Beatty

68 ARS POST #29
From: Chuckbeatty77 ([email protected])
Subject: William Burroughs 1970 challenge re the OT materials and Scn's validity
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2004-11-20 20:27:34 PST

http://www.clambake.org/archive/books/asns/NakedScientology.txt

"If Mr. Hubbard were content to be a technician who has made some important discoveries we could afford to ignore his personal opinions. When he sets himself up as the savior of all possible universes we cannot. The shoddy presentation, the reactionary opinions, the preposterous claims, the atrocious writing are so immediately repellent that few intelligent people can be persuaded that Scientology is worth a second glance."

. . .

"Mr. Hubbard says that the mere sight of his confidential materials would make any WOG - (His revealing term to designate those unversed in Scientology) - violently sick. I can claim some experience and skill in the scrivener's trade, but I could not undertake to write a few words guaranteed to make any appreciable number of readers physically sick. So, if this claim is justified, it is certainly a matter for investigation. I am sure that volunteers in abundance would step forward. Who would pass up an opportunity to read such potent prose? A head ache or a cold or the loss of the last supper is a small price to pay. This is not a frivolous suggestion. If words can make people vomit how are these particular words effecting the vomiting centers in the hypothalamus? Or is this claim put forward to give his followers a feeling of importance and to justify rather substantial fees? Only an actual test can give us the answer.

"If the Scientologists persist in a self-imposed isolation and in withholding their materials from those best qualified to evaluate and use them, they may well find themselves bypassed. Mr. Hubbard says he wants recognition for his discoveries. Well, let him then show his confidential materials free of charge and without any restrictions to qualified workers in other fields. He says he has the road to freedom. Others have been a long time on that road. At the Edinburgh Writer's Conference in 1952 Alex Troochi coined the phrase 'astronauts of inner space.' Let him show his confidential materials to the astronauts of inner space: Alex Troochi, Brion Ysin, Allen Ginsberg, Timothy Leary, to anthropologists like Castaneda and shamans like Don Juan. Let him show his material to mathematicians, computer programmers, biologists and virologists, to students of language like Marshall McLuhan and Noam Chomsky. Let him show his material to those who have fought for freedom in the streets, Eldridge Cleaver, Stokely Carmichael, Abbie Hoffman, Dick Gregory, to the veterans of Chicago and Paris and Mexico City.

"Above all, young people nave a right to see his materials. So let him set up a center and give his processing and materials free of charge and without restrictions of any kind to anyone under the age of 35. If he has what he says he has, the results should be cataclysmic. . ."

William Burroughs
Naked Scientology
BURROUGHS
ON
SCIENTOLOGY
Los Angeles Free Press March 6, 1970

69 ARS POST #30
From: Chuckbeatty77 ([email protected])
Subject: Re: To Chuck Beatty (was Leaves in the Sea Org)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2004-11-20 23:34:38 PST

[email protected] (Cerridwen) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> NOTE: This message was sent thru a mail2news gateway.
> No effort was made to verify the identity of the sender.
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Thanks Lulu and Chuck!
>
> Thought provoking posts are what keeps ars interesting. And of course
> a good Killfile helps too.!
>
>
> Cerridwen
>
> http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/source/analysissummary.html
> www.scientologypayback.org

Thankyou Cerridwen,

You said:
>How do we reach these people?

One thing I know, I started reading the Freedom Mags, loved them, I loved all the old GO publications, and in the Freedom Mags, and in the OSA passarounds, are all the BAD news, and the names of all the ex-SO are in the stories.

The seeds of doubt get planted unfortuntely by their own publications. I also read the news. So when the church gets bad PR, it hits the news.

The media, and their own internal reports, they carry the news inside. The news carries the seeds of doubt about the rightness of the movement. All the euorpean press, that is news that they have to cut and paste and passaround to ASI to others, each week. It's OSA's hat to relay all the news, good and bad, and the bad news gets the truth and plants the seeds of doubt, inside.

When they do their BIG attacks, they proudly proclaim and write what they think are great peices on their great trouncing of the critics or enemies. But their peices are so transparantly bad, their peices to me, when I was in there, just added more seeds of doubt. They did for me, and the dbouts accelerated over the years, the higher I went, and the more info I was privy to.

Even if the top guys are the only ones given the bad news from the wog world, the rumors of the news have a way of travelling internally. And the rumors then travel. Despite all of the obligatory loyal Sea Org staff member pooh-poohing of the "bad hat" enemies (former defectors and critics who are painted ridiculously and transparantly overly one-sidedly bad, due to their own irrational one-sided lousy writers) the seeds of doubt are planted.

It took me a while, years to finally line it up in my head, but in the end, I'd gotten the message finally. When I was planning to blow from the Int RPF, if you could read my pc folder, I mentioned Dennis Erlich's name at least 300 times, in all the withholds I had to run almost daily, about my latest plan to blow. Each of my hundreds of plans all included call Dennis and ask him to come out and pick me up.

Had I not read about Dennis in the Freedom mag, and had I not known Dennis from Flag and I knew he was a far better man than the ridicuous Freedom Mag article said he was, and comparing sweaty palmed and sweaty faced Warren McShane as a human being to Dennis Erlich as a human being, well Dennis wins in my book any day. (Of course I will apologize to Warren when he comes out, if he makes it out.)

But all the horribly one-sided wacko bad writing about Gerry Armstrong, it was such overkill deadagenting of him; and on Jesse; and on Andre Taboyoyan; and on Dennis Erlich. All of the Freedom articles and all the other writeups and event briefings on handling the critics, were just too poorly executed, it planted the seeds in my mind, that the critics and enemies were not who they were being painted out to being.

How else to reach them? Through the media. More articles written on the movement, more entertainment items, like this Children's play. More books, more movies, everything that generates press, helps get the word inside.

Good anti-Scn data in good media articles, will go right into the OSA passarounds (not unless they cut those off, but it is assumed if a person is on the reading list of the OSA passarounds, they are considered immune to the Black PR so the OSA passarounds will continue unless they discover a direct connection between the passarounds and defections), and the seeds of doubt will continue to filter in and around the top of the movement from here on out.

Best, Chuck Beatty

70 ARS POST #31
From: Chuckbeatty77 ([email protected])
Subject: To Chuck Beatty (was Leaves in the Sea Org)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Date: 2004-11-18 18:53:25 PST
From: Lulu Belle ([email protected])

[email protected] (Chuck Beatty) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...

> The Sea Org member leave of absence is a suppressive can't have run on
> Sea Org members by the Sea Org at this time. Maybe in years long long
> ago, or even now occassionally it may have been granted in good faith.
>
> But for decades now it has devolved for the majority of Sea Org
> members into a suppressive can't have.
>
> It is something that Sea Org members have to revive themselves and
> handle this, so they take advantage of it. Outside intervention won't
> do it on this issue.
>
> Chuck Beatty

Oh god, Chuck.

I can't believe you actually said this.

If there is anything that's a bigger piece of bullshit than "Sea Org members get three weeks a year annual leave", it's "Sea Org members have to revive themselves and handle this."

It implies that staff actually have some kind of POWER and CONTROL of what goes on. It implies that, by them doing or saying something, things will actually CHANGE for them - that they can actualy DO something to make things change.

This lie gets run on the staff all the time by management. "The reason why you (staff of PAC/Flag/UK/EU/wherever) have (low pay/horrible berthing/low income/whatever) is because YOU HAVE LOW STANDARDS. It is YOUR FAULT that your conditions are poor."

That is the biggest piece of crap, the biggest lie, there is.

Better conditions, maybe eventually being able to have time off, maybe eventually being able to take a leave, or have some semblance of a normal life, is a carrot on a stick that is held under the noses of staff. It is always held just out of their reach.

Work harder harder harder harder HARDER and maybe you will actually get libs/ a leave/ a bonus/ decent berthing. Whatever.

It is total, absolute, complete and utter bullshit.

Face it. Chuch management does not give a flying fuck about any staff member. About their conditions, about their feelings, about their "issues." About ANYTHING that they need or want personally. They need them to work. They will push their buttons, any buttons they have, about what they need or want, to get more work out of them. They will work them to death with the just -out-of-their-reach promise of prosperity and a better life.

I can't believe you spent as long a time on the RPF, not to mention how long a time you spent on staff, as you did, and you can't see this.

If you think for one minute that staff could somehow "make their feelings felt" and get some kind of change happening to their benefit, then you must of somehow missed some of the great Sea Org moments of the last twenty or so years.

Like when family time was cancelled, and people were sec checked, declared and otherwise decimated for protesting about no longer being able to see their children. Like when staff were told they had to divorce their non Sea Org spouses or get thrown out and/or declared. Like when staff were told they could no longer communicate to family members who were "freeloaders." Like when staff were told if they didn't get their stats rocketed/confirms for the New Years Event rocketed/get the orgs filled with public during the holidays that Christmas was being cancelled, period.

A few magic moments, among a million others.

Believe me when I tell you this. There is no knight on a white horse who will rescue the Sea Org staff.

I know.

They all wait for one.

How many times have I heard, "This this and this was going on and LRH found out about it and declared all the SPs and things were better." All the SO staff, especially the ones who have been around a long time, cling to this hope. That somehow The Good Being who is supposed to be watching over them will rescue them from the insanity. They wait for it. They cling to the hope that all the bad stuff will go away. The SPs will be discovered, and it will all go away.

It's not EVER going to go away.

It's just going to get worse.

Somehow you seem to have been able to go through what you went through - being on staff for a lot of years, being on the RPF for however long you were, being under twenty four hour watch for at least a year - and still have come out with some sort of optimism.

I guess, in a way, it's admirable.

It's also delusional.

It's time for reality to kick in.

Sorry.

From: Chuck Beatty ([email protected])
Subject: Re: To Chuck Beatty (was Leaves in the Sea Org)
Date: 2004-11-19 12:19:17 PST [email protected] (Lulu Belle) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> Oh god, Chuck. ......

Well, thanks, you are like a cold shower, with ice cubes (reference my other post re Pavlov's discovery of what ice water did to erase all the dogs' months of conditioning).

If I wasted 7 years in the RPF, and wasted 20 years before that in the Sea Org, then that shows my level of mental sludge. I need a LOT of ice in my ice bath.

> It implies that staff actually have some kind of POWER and CONTROL of
> what goes on. It implies that, by them doing or saying something,
> things will actually CHANGE for them - that they can actualy DO
> something to make things change.
>

Point taken, that is for sure what is shoved down everyone's throat, implicitly and overtly. Point taken. (Another 5 pound bag of ice please.)
> Better conditions, maybe eventually being able to have time off, maybe
> eventually being able to take a leave, or have some semblance of a
> normal life, is a carrot on a stick that is held under the noses of
> staff. It is always held just out of their reach.
>
> Work harder harder harder harder HARDER and maybe you will actually
> get libs/ a leave/ a bonus/ decent berthing. Whatever.
>
> It is total, absolute, complete and utter bullshit.

Okay, but there are plenty of examples where LRH let people splurge, LRH bought Monica Quirino a car, LRH told David Ziff NOT to donate his hundred thousand dollars of inheritance to the church but to keep and enjoy his inheritance money since David would likely need it later in life, LRH told ASI the 3 different levels of awards they were to induldge in weekly if their stats were up, and believe me ASI did SPLURGE year after year under DM.

So the carrot conditiontinng was right in there tight with the years of coldhearted stick wielding. (I hated seeing ASHO on rice and beans for year after year in the 80's, when Gold and Int Base crew ate well, but I had my own numbness and have my own numbness to climb out of, I freely admit. And now the PAC food is in another universe compared to the 80's, it was from 2000 till Mar 2003 when I left, so the food DID get better.)

> . . .
> Face it. Chuch management does not give a flying fuck about any staff
> member.

Okay, this is a point of discussion. Yes, your argument wins, and this is a summary correct conclusion. But the "but" factor, is layers and layers of Scn and Sea Org "think" that is stubbornly resistive to this blunt conclusion (even though your conclusion is correct).

My purpose in posting, is trying to reach across this gap of unrealities.
> I can't believe you spent as long a time on the RPF, not to mention
> how long a time you spent on staff, as you did, and you can't see
> this.

I plead the ice bath argument. I didn't realize I needed an ice bath. Ice baths are too scarry to jump into.
>
> If you think for one minute that staff could somehow "make their
> feelings felt" and get some kind of change happening to their benefit,
> then you must of somehow missed some of the great Sea Org moments of
> the last twenty or so years.

Oh, well you also know the BS about doing good things, and that whole argument, so instead of thinking you are defrauding everyone, you have to think you are doing something good for everyone on earth, no matter if it isn't really happening. It's a self-perpetuating delusion. I agree.

But then, you know, the old conditioned arguments, sort of rebound in my head. My layers are thick.
>
> Like when family time was cancelled, and people were sec checked,
> declared and otherwise decimated for protesting about no longer being
> able to see their children.

This type of crap, I think is a viciousness of the then crew of Int Mgmt, and this is why I think historically it is important to get access to all the Int evals done over the years, since the evals lay out internally what the Scn movement admits were its own fuckups, its own vicious Int level staff member's personal vindictive screwups, and this is just a sidelight to the greater more fundamentally monumental screwups imbedded in the Scn movement by LRH's un-thought-out policies.
>Like when staff were told they had to
> divorce their non Sea Org spouses or get thrown out and/or declared.
> Like when staff were told they could no longer communicate to family
> members who were "freeloaders." Like when staff were told if they
> didn't get their stats rocketed/confirms for the New Years Event
> rocketed/get the orgs filled with public during the holidays that
> Christmas was being cancelled, period.
>
> A few magic moments, among a million others.

Agreed wholeheartedly. The accumulated years of insane "solutions" by vindictive Int Mgmt terminals added to the already terminally flawed policies of Hubbard's, ultimately will add up to the Scn movement's death-knell, not unless they squirm away and out of these policies and patterns.
>
> Believe me when I tell you this. There is no knight on a white horse
> who will rescue the Sea Org staff.
>
> I know.
>
> They all wait for one.

Okay, I differ here, and must expand on what I think and where I think we, you, me, others who have been embedded in the Scn movement in our own unique ways all fit, historically.

There is a matter of historical viewpoint.

Wog historians step way way back and compare things far and wide. Academics, and scholars, take Bryan Wilson, Roy Wallis, Steve Kent, and look at how they, and also how even the broader group of intellectual historian and sociology types, look at whole movements, how they view things, and how they go over all the raw data on a movement, and then determine what is happening and how they describe it all.

A major reason I like to write, why I encourage all who were in Int Mgmt to write, is to provide the raw material for those analyzing the Scn movement.

As far as a knight in shining armor, I don't see DM allowing anyone like himself to rise up to the top, thus whoever IS next after him, will be nicer than him.

And things will devolve probably after DM to how they were in the 1970's in the Sea Org, when there was a more rapid turnover of persons holding the top Mgmt positions, due to NO one at that time rising up to be king of the hill, as dictorially as powerful as DM did in the late 70's early 80's.

So no matter what happens after DM, it will be better. More chaotic, but better. (It could be worse, meaning worse for them, but better for public and wogs.)

I don't think the Scn movement has the exec base to have a good top leader after DM. I dont' know any vicious cats like him at the top within striking range of taking over for him, in otherwords.

Anyways, I'd prefer to gather ALOT more data on existing Int Base personnel, and goings on at the Int Base, to try to even seriously guess what will happen realistically. DM's in good health, he's not going anywhere for another couple of decades, so what actually will happen will be decades before it finally pans out, in my opinion.

You don't sound like you were Int Base Staff. The mental universe of CMO Int, Exec Strata, RTC are each whole other universes, which in my 1 year and 1/2 out I have yet to read any truly detailed day to day writeups. I've read Vicki Aznaran's, Rick Aznaran's, Andre T's, Jesse Prince's, Davd Mayo's, Julie Mayo's, Vaughn Young's, Stacy Brook's, and whatever others I could find.

There is still a major vacuum from a wog academic's point of view, of raw raw material that needs to be written up, to actually get a grip of what the detailed operations and mindset of the top of the Scn movement.

I'd like to get people to come forth and provide the day to day, month to month, year to year, main details of the programs, strategies, ongoing flaps, events, changes, etc., that are the life consuming details that filled and still do fill the lives of those who have lived for decades uplines at Int.

No one has written this up.

There is boo koo raw data to set down, for generations of scholars to sift through.

That's in the back of my mind as I post, and why I post.

And I strongly invite some newly defected former Int Base staff to write and add the details, so at least there are in writing, so that before we all die, someone up the road has the details to sort through.

I'd like to get more cooperation from these recent Int Base ousted personnel to write their stories and rationales. There are going to be Roy Wallis's in the future, who will come along and do some serious studies of the movement.
>
> How many times have I heard, "This this and this was going on and LRH
> found out about it and declared all the SPs and things were better."
> All the SO staff, especially the ones who have been around a long
> time, cling to this hope. That somehow The Good Being who is supposed
> to be watching over them will rescue them from the insanity. They wait
> for it. They cling to the hope that all the bad stuff will go away.
> The SPs will be discovered, and it will all go away.
>
> It's not EVER going to go away.
>
> It's just going to get worse.
>

Okay, I agree, but you see more where I am coming from.

I told once, that it took me inside, years, to accumulate the doubts. And I posted once that the doubts accelerated when I was exposed to the written criticisms of the church (I was reading what was nicknamed the "OSA passarounds" which were negative and postive wog newspaper clippings cut and pasted and xerox copied and were passed around to the appropriate staff).

The OSA passrounds accelerated my doubts, and compounded them, and I slowly made my exit, trying to cause the least amount of trouble as possible.

The point is that the criticism that most paralleled what I was thinking and the way I was thinking, helped me get out.

So to me, an effective technique to illicit future defections is paralleling the think of the top people at Int. Get their think, all the additional details NOT already on the Internet, all their stories, their own think, and get it posted.

This data then filters back to the top, as it does and always has, since they need to investigate it, and then the same cycle recurs. Freshly embedded doubts, and in the years to come, people will find their way out again.

That to me is an effective activity. That is why I post, and why I encourage others who have lived near the top recently to post.

Missing, I think currently, is fresh data on happenings at the top.

That's all.
> Somehow you seem to have been able to go through what you went through
> - being on staff for a lot of years, being on the RPF for however
> long you were, being under twenty four hour watch for at least a year
> - and still have come out with some sort of optimism.
>
> I guess, in a way, it's admirable.
>
> It's also delusional.

Yea, it is hard to jump in that ice-bath.
>
> It's time for reality to kick in.
>
> Sorry.

No worries.

Do you read? My favorite magazine is the New York Review of Books.

Read a couple issues of it, and you will see also WHO I am writing my posts for.

There will be people, long after we are dead, who will sift through our writings, and they will come to conclusions about us all, we'll be raw material for non-fiction and fiction alike.

All of us who dedicated our lives (or delusionally thought we were dedicating our lives) to this great new religion that was going to absorb and forward all mankind (barf) and lead into the grand perfect future across the broad universe, (I love the movies Matrix and the Sylvester Stallone one where Sylvester is frozen and wakes up in the perfect future world in California and then goes off and guns down the bad guy), it's been a strange trip.

More and more I see that characterizing LRH as a Science fiction author was a very simple effective way of characterizing how that think effected the actual church of Scn. By

the way, I thought it'd be great to have a movie of Jesse Prince's life. I think his life warrants a movie, as he ties in to so many of the main characters in the Scn movement, and Jesse's character could be the hero, anti-hero, whatever. His life in the Sea Org has so many action scenes in it, it's make a good movie!!! Jesse reminds me of Samuel Jackson. What do you think?
Maybe up the road, in 5-10 years, some Hollywood screenwriter writes up a movie starring Samual Jackson, as an old man, telling his life story, with flashbacks to Jesse's life? Sort of like Warren Beatty's 3 hours extravaganza "Reds".

Best, Chuck Beatty







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