Chuck Beatty
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From: "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com"
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 14:30:07 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Mar 7 2010 5:30 pm
Subject: Hubbard policy, cornerstone Catch 22, cognitive dissonance causing, "PTS PEOPLE AND LEAVES"

This is ONE of the key problem and cognitive dissonance causing Hubbard policies.

"PTS PEOPLE AND LEAVES"

21 March 1989

Issued after he died, based on despatch traffic he wrote sometime in the 70s or 80s, and finally issued, and today it is on page 1050 of the 1991 edition of the green volumes (soon to be replaced, meaning in the next 10 years), these green volumes have so many egregious typographical errors is the valid reason these volumes are not currently used nor sold by Bridge Publications.

In any case, the Catch 22 and cognitive dissonance is SO obvious.

"There were once occasions where an Ethics Officer advocated that PTS people take a leave of absence in order to 'handle their PTS situation.' This was an incorrect handling." - LRH, from this above listed reference.

So, LRH is saying clearly that it is NOT correct to let people wishing to deal with their PTS situations go on leave to handle this.

Clearly, this makes it immediately a NO NO to let PTS people go on leaves!

Further, he says:

"It is a very dangerous precedent to assume at once that a person who is PTS should be sent on leave or let go on leave to see the persons they are PTS to."

This is outrageous, actually, to make it church policy to say the church organization has the authority to prevent a staff from going on leave PERIOD. Yet LRH quite clearly utters this when he says: "...or let go on leave..."

Clearly, this means DON"T LET PEOPLE GO ON LEAVE TO SEE PERSONS THEY ARE PTS TO.

And it clearly says the persons who are listed on the distribution on this policy letter, who are in fact the staff who are on the "Staff Requesting to Go on Leave Routing Form" (the administrative checklist of steps a staff requesting to go on a leave MUST do)!

On this distribution of this policy, are "HCO", "Qual", and the "Chaplain".

Listed as reference on this policy are other Catch 22 policies, and probably the biggest of all Scientology problem causing policies, is included in the references, the "PTSness and DISCONNECTION" policy of 10 Sept 83.

Here's the guilloteen phrase:

"Any such PTS situation should be fully handled before the person is permitted to go on leave."

It doesn't get much clearer than that, that staff are NOT to be allowed to go on leave.

Then, to cover their asses, and make this a complete Catch 22, is this final sentence.

"This policy must not be used to forbid staff from taking standard authorized leaves."

This is so mind jamming, this is a permanent log jam example of Hubbard's problem causing policies.

This is such a problem for staff, it cannot even be understood, until you find yourself in this predicament, or if you watch your fellow staffers who go up against this policy.

It explains the "solution" which is staff simply don't take leaves, since so many of their family members turn against Scientology,and thus cause the staff to become PTS.

This is a key family splitting policy, and evidence of why Scientology becomes hated.

Chuck Beatty 412-260-1170 Pittsburgh

Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com"
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 15:51:13 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Mar 7 2010 6:51 pm
Subject: Re: Hubbard policy, cornerstone Catch 22, cognitive dissonance causing, "PTS PEOPLE AND LEAVES"

One final quote from this "PTS PEOPLE AND LEAVES" policy by Hubbard/ Scientology, which is for parents of Scientology staff who know they are the "problem" their kids cannot come visit them!

There is a loophole, that parents who wish to play with the Scientologists' heads, can try.

here's the loophole:

"The EP of the PTS handling is the person no longer PTS and the previously antagonistic people volunteering communication to him or her."

The loophole is that "antagonistic" non Scientology family members can "volunteer" some positive communication to the Scientology staff member who isnt allowed to go on leave to visit the antagonistic family.

Loophole: "play nice" and cease the antagonism, say something good about the family member and Scientology, and thus get your family member the okay to come see you.

If the outside world knows and uses Hubbard's rules in reverse, they can sidestep Scientology, and override the barriers Hubbard/ Scientology put up.

Be sure to tell your Scientologists how you outwitted the rules, and still be nice to your family in any case.

It's the Hubbard/Scientology rules that are the problem.

Chuck Beatty, ex staff, 1975-2003

Newsgroups: fr.soc.sectes, ch.talk, alt.religion.scientology
From: "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com"
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:53:34 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Mar 7 2010 4:53 pm
Subject: Re: Interview of Nancy Many - Testimony

On Mar 7, 10:53 am, Monica Pignotti wrote:

> On Mar 7, 8:06 am, stop-abus wrote:

> > Interview of Nancy Many

> > Témoignage d'une ex-membre de la police secrète de scientologie (in
> > english)

> > audio:http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/testimony-hawkins-bombonatos.htm#Nanc...

> > On February 1, 2010, Nancy Many appeared on KOA-AM for discussing all
> > things Scientological and plugging her terrific book, My Billion Year
> > Contract.

> > Nancy’s tale of her psychotic break sets this book apart from earlier
> > looks at Scientology and if it were only for those aspects I would
> > recommend the book highly. But there’s so much more, and it is well
> > written to boot.

> > Here’s her radio appearance, broken into two parts.

> I agree. I just read this book and I highly recommend people read it
> to get insight into what it is like to be in Scientology at a number
> of different levels, as a Sea Org member, someone who worked for both
> GO and OSA and later as a public Scientolgist which, contrary to what
> most people would expect, is where she was treated the worst. This is
> an honest, thoughtful, very well written book.

> Monica

Agreed.

Nancy I knew from the FLB, and saw from my lower position the turmoils in Flag's admin leadership ranks, the defections, and the RPF craziness, saw the people I looked up to, going to the RPF in droves.

I'm so glad she wrote the "Katherine Story" into a book, it certainly helped me, and when I first read Katherine's story, and contacted Nancy in 2004, I've been rooting for her ever since.

I vote MORE books by ex members.

Highpoints of her book to me:

- shows how the actual belief system plus the interrogation/ethics/ justice system can drive a person crazy, literally. When her mind "cracked", that was due to the whole intense ethics/justice system staring her in the face, and the extremist Scientology views about Marcab invaders being here on earth, that infamous Capt Bill Robertson was warning of. His delusion of the microwave towers on the complex and HGB buildings, he saw them as part of the Marcab population implanting, when in fact those were simply INCOMM computer branch inter-church building communication devices). She details going crazy by Scientology OSA's Joan Diskins callous and overbearing interrogation tactics, screaming in completely heartless and reprehensible "therapist" betrayal of the patient, the "sec checker" "murder routine" tough guy approach is what leaked into the movement, and that style of sec checking, with the prospect of destroying her and her husband's Scientology community livelihood, plus buying into Scientology's extreme science fiction crap, like Capt Bill spread, that certainly to me explains going nuts! The brutal sec checking by Joan Diskin, to me, were we to have the tapes of Joan's sec checking of Nancy, that would be eye opening to show the world to what extent OSA sec checkers pounded Scientologists in these types of interrogations. THAT needs some leaking, some of those raw session interrogations by auditors like Joan Diskin and others who did that reprehensible "murder routine" sec checking.

- the book repeats Nancy's reporting, confirming what LRH traffic she witnessed during her Commodore's Staff Aide 9 time, particularly she confirms Russell Miller's "Messiah" traffic from LRH, where LRH ordered surveys to see how it would fly were Hubbard to promote himself as a new age Messiah.

- For LA Scientology community, I think Nancy's book should be read, since she pokes through the veil of predicaments of the FSM crowd, who reg other Scientologists; and for her years as a WISE consultant.

- It gives firsthand evidence of LRH's heartless callousness in punishing a pregnant woman, ordering her to the RPF, and further to the RPF's RPF.

Overall it shows the claustrophobic life inside the LA Scientologist community, by someone who really in some ways is typical of the LA and Clearwater Scientology communities, which is former senior Scientology Sea Org execs who made the transition BACK to the Scientology parishioner base, and then being used by the OSA and RTC covert operations branch people to do spy work.

This book is absolutely, I agree, something that has to be read by anyone considering themself a Scientology expert, and it's a caution and should be read by Scientology community people, which of course it's inlikely it will be allowed reading.

I've read it twice, and will likely read it again in the years to come.

Thankyou Nancy!

Chuck Beatty

From: XXX
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sat, Mar 20, 2010
Subject: question regarding LRH

Hi Chuck,

I left SO in [90s] (was at Flag Bureaux in LA) and finally the COS [x] years ago. It is quite therapeutic for me to read Marthy's Blog, which gives me a good insight as to what was happening in the church over the past 2 decades (and of course PT Situation).

Now in your comment you are writing, that you don't consider yourself a friend of LRH. This is one aspect, which is still puzzeling me. Who was LRH really? You mention, that you have first hand information. Can you tell me how you see LRH and based on what information, experiance...

I would reall appreciate, if you can tell me your viewpoint.

Greetings, [X]

Hi [X],

Oh my. If you want the long answer, go look through my site of postings

http://tinyurl.com/49g722

If you want the short answer, here's my Sea Org history:

I joined the Sea Org Dec 12, 1975. Routed out finally, 29 Mar 2003.

Flag Dec 1975-Jun 1983 (TTC, Sup, Word Clearer, D of T, etc.)
In these years, 75-83, I became a zealot for Admin, I trained thousands of Sea Org and out org admin trainees
Here's me at the height of my course sup duties, the 1981 FEBC students:

http://tinyurl.com/295khy

Int Base 1983-1984 (Routing Forms Pjt)
Snr HCO Int in the FB in LA 1984-87 Re-Training (Int and LA) 87-88
Int Training Org, LA 88 (Sec Checker Sup)
LRH Tech Research and Comps, CMO Int, (Sept 88-Feb 89)
Int RPF (Feb-Mar 89)
PAC RPF (Mar-May 89)
Int Training Org (May-Sept 89) (Admin Sup)
INCOMM Sep 89-Sept 90 (Routing Forms Pjt)
INCOMM Sept 90-May92 (Computer Room LA & Int)
ASI May 92-Dec95 (Computer Room, In-Training Esto)
Decks Int (Dec 95-Jun 96)
Int RPF (Jun 96-Nov 2000)
PAC RPF (Nov 2000-Mar2003)
Routed out March 29, 2003.

I was always interested in why people behaved like they did in the Sea Org. RTC staffers, Int Base staffers, were overbearing, they screamed, and as you rise up the ranks, you brush elbows with more and more abrasive abusive behavior by the higher ups.

I traced it all, I've posted on it extensively, amidst all my posts.

I haven't put my postings in order nor indexed them.

If you google "John Aczel" you will locate my postings, multiple postings, on how that incident with John Aczel was sort of the 'string' that I pulled on, leading to my last years of internet chatting and pushing for ex Int Base staff to come out and detail the violence.

It traces to LRH's attitude, and the latitude he allowed of Sea Org members. The tough guy stuff, it traces to LRH.

This is irreligious, it is a mistake on LRH's part to think this was necessary, and it violates the 1965 ethics gradients where LRH says no physical detention is ever to be used.

LRH went harsh. If you follow up, google "Kima Douglas" and read all her postings on LRH. LRH throttled (choked by grabbing a person's collar) Mike Douglas, her husband. Kima heard or saw the incident, Hana Eltringham Whitfield (google her, look at all her TV appearances, in one appearance on one of the TV shows, all on Xenu TV) Hana tells of the incident where LRH throttled Mike Douglas, and THAT throttling is exactly the extent of violence that DM does.

Google Otto Roos' story, and that is the pummeling and kicking justification. Otto was punched and kicked by LRH. That is why DM and other senior Sea Org members punch and kick.

Google "black eye tech" and read my postings that trace the "black eye" violence that Marty wrote about, it traces directly (even though Marty refuses to post my overly critical postings on his site, he censors my postings, fine, I understand since Marty's trying to build up the good ex Scientologists and not trash LRH at this stage), in the "black eye" incident, which is in Marty's posting on his letter to Bert Fields, Tom Cruise's lawyer, Marty gives the incident where Yager and Leserve get black eyes, and the RTC person says that the beatings are enough now that the two had black eyes. Knowledge Reports, 1982, date coincident with the "....if you see John Aczel, spit on him for me...." (google this, see my posts), and you will see how it all connects.

Sea Org violence traces to LRH, and there's no justification for it. It is irreligious, it is NOT The Way to Happiness, and LRH was still giving tough guy advice even AFTER he wrote TWTH, which is the problem.

LRH was incapable of seeing the ramifications of his policy, and the extreme degree that his advice/comments/orders/his own behavior has HAD on Sea Org leadership.

Finally, I've also posted on the Watchdog Committee Executive Directive, known at Int and by FB level, in the 1983 period, as the "Int Strat". The Int Strat contains the harsh degree of force that LRH authorized and ordered. It was to push production until you run into stops and then blow the stops off the lines with ethics.

Oh yea, finally, the tech films. Remember the one explaining the emeter, where the guy is grabbed from the crowd, and given a meter check interrogation, Aunt Irmilatude style, with several tough guys standing by in the background (Jim Logan plays, ironically, one of the toughs standing behind the "SP" reporter who is holding the cans being interrogated, and his needle R/Ses).

Well, point is, this film is what DM used to condone gang bang sec checking.

At ASI, another incident, in 1982, date coincident with the "...and if you see John Aczel, spit on him for me...." advice from LRH, at ASI the staff participated in a gang bang sec check, google Homer Schomer, trace to his court case, and he tells of the incident when he was gang bang sec checked, this is in the court records. I know HOmer, I was outraged, and I know LRH ordered John Aczel to be spit on.

So, even though I in my "reasonable" mindset would NEVER take these LRH references literally, and I would NEVER think that LRH really intended people to be given black eyes, punched, spit on, thrown in the lake (read Jeff Hawkin's Counterfeit Dreams online, I worked and prodded Jeff to go public, and I introduced media and scholars to interview Jeff way before his story finally made it into print), the point is LRH is behind this overboarding. LRH ordered it on the ship, and it's stayed an allowable ethics gradient, and ONLY because LRH himself, in his final years traffic to Int and in those 1982 policies like Corrupt Activities and Knowledge Reports, you see LRH's disgust.

That is SO IRRELIGIOUS, it is just NOT going to EVER win public support for Scientology, and LRH was absolutely dictatorially out of touch to think that that was still an okay option to give his leadership people.

It's not as bad as other bad groups, but it is what really adds to the backlash against Scientology, that LRH writings fuels the final years outlook of DM.

This is a start.

See my postings, there is hours of reasons.

I'm a policy nerd.

My views are that I would like to see whomever replaces DM, to LISTEN and READ all the valid criticism against LRH's bad policy, and to NOT keep forwarding that bad LRH policy.

I'd like to see the movement change course, reform, and let the top two councils reform, namely WDC and Exec Strata, and allow those councils time to become wise enough to STOP implementing the worst of LRH's administrative and private comments and bad behaviour "ethics gradients" and irreligious staff to staff abuse.

Then, that is ONE big zone to reform.

The other is OSA. OSA is built on intelligence community bad shit, black propaganda stuff, see my postings and follow the links, and please read wha LRH wrote which is STILL on the books for OSA to implement.

I feel Mike Rinder probably is gonna be a couple more years before he writes on OSA and the crap they pull.

I don't think the independents should be outside of Scientology. I think Scientology should reform, and allow independents whatever latitude they want.

LRH's works will eventually fall into the public domain, and copyrighting will fall out of their hand in 50 years or less.

The tech is like the bible, let it go!

Stop trying to pretend the crap LRH just himself was incapable of realizing was NOT tenable to accomplish.

LRH's full works should just fall into the public domain, and let any clumps of good natured Scientologists try to assemble and follow whatever is humanly good about the tech and administrative echelons of the Sea Org.

I know some independents, since I talk to them privately, think the Sea Org is doomed.

Since I was an admin guy, I think the Sea Org could be salvaged, but it will take letting WDC and Exec Strata leadership take 5 years to hat themselves up, and allow them to study all the valid criticism against the church and against LRH in the public domain.

I've spent years reading all the critical books, I talk and work with media and new religion scholars. Google "chuck beatty gordan melton" and read all my postings about scholars.

I help them on their chapters in books, I helped 3 of the scholars who did chapters in this recent "Scientology" anthology, 2009, oxford Univ Press, which you can google also.

I believe, like LRH said, the 3rd dynamic of the Scientology movement will go on, no matter what. That's what the scholars predict also.

As much as the independents think the Sea Org and Scientology official movement is gonna collapse, that is just not what happens to these groups.

I'm patient. Meaning I don't expect any dramatic collapse or wholesale revolution within Scientology due to the new independents' actions. The much criticized Gordon Melton, considered sometimes an apologist for Scientology and other new religions, I feel is correct in stating the Hubbard system keeps the members from being affected by the negative critical stuff against Scientology and against LRH. The barrier to get through and talk sense into the movement members is a very effective barrier of ideas/rules that Hubbard has armed his members with. There are so many excommunicatable offenses the members don't dare commit, it keeps them locked inside and oblivious to the valid criticism against LRH's ideas and against their irreligious behavior that LRH's writings tell the members IS their valid version of the religion that will save earth (the importance of auditing out the 4th dynamic engram, that means educating the world to accept the Xenu engram, the 4th dynamic engram that causes, supposedly all humankind's craziness, it's simply the Xenu engram, the mass murdering and the 36 1/2 day long implanting done on all those billions of thetans that now float around earth attaching to each of us and causing their mental leakage of the Xenu engram craziness into our minds, and auditing out the 4th dynamic engram is what Scientology is ALL about!)!

I think the Marty independent movement will slowly help reform official scientology, and hopefully, however DM moves off the top role, it might be another decade, eventually since there are so many ex Scientologists who consider themselves STILL scientologists, the outsider scholar view is that either the splinter group continues parallel, like Protestantism, or the splinter group reconciles.

Actually, Scientology's history has already been played out, whatever variation happens to Scientology, it's happened in other similar religious group splintering and going all the various ways they go.

So, all this said, my hopes, the simple Hubbard policy I'd focus on long range, is The Way to Happiness, which unfortunately LRH did NOT order to be used as core Scientology religion strategic policy. Which is yet another reason I am disaffected with LRH's judgement.

On top of this, I'm an atheist, I don't believe in thetans, nor "body thetans" , nor even pastlives any longer. So I simply cannot be a Scientologist, since I don't believe the practice is valid, nor that the beliefs coincide with reality.

Did we ever meet?

Best, Chuck

ex Scientology staffer (1975-2003)
412-260-1170 Pittsburgh, USA (anyone call me after 9pm east coast time)
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