Chuck Beatty
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From: "chuckbeatty77 @aol.com"
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 06:16:55 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 4 2008 9:16 am
Subject: Hubbard's rules give Scientology's OT super-people an "out" so they are not embarrassed

On Jul 3, 8:12 pm, Tom Newton wrote:

> snip... Hubbard ...knew what happens to people who demonstrate extra-ordinary
> abilities to the public: They and their associates and families
> are hounded by the press and the corporations and the governments
> for the rest of their lives.

Greek gods hung out at Mt Olympus, away from the pestering humans.

They just dipped into reality, did their OT superpower business, and retreated to Mt Olympus.

I guess earth's current crop of Scientologist OT superpeople produced by L. Ron Hubbard's "Bridge to Total Freedom" haven't yet set up shop in a safe place they can congregate and hang out as a group of OT superpeople.

All the Scientologists who are OT superpeople would have to do, is create their own Mt. Olympus club.

I guess the Freewinds was supposed to be that, sort of.

For sure the Sea Organizations is NOT a Mt. Olympus! Staff life involves NO superpeople power demonstration, rather quite a lot of frustration and blaming of each other (omitting to ever blame Hubbard for his delusional claims about reality and people's superpowers).

My point was Indian Rationalists are debunking Indian mystics, and that is a good thing!

Chuck Beatty

12 noon 10 July 2008, on Enturbulation.Org

QUESTION:
Chuck, how many people would be involved in doing actual software development for CHUG?

(ANSWERS:)
OVER THE YEARS, 50-150 PEOPLE, ALL SEA ORG STAFF OR PUBLIC SCIENTOLOGISTS (VINTAGE DEDICATED SCIENTOLOGISTS WHO WORK IN THE VARIOUS SCIENTOLOGY COMPANIES THERE IN LA/GLENDALE REGION) HAVE HAD A HAND IN HELPING DO THE "CHUG" ADVICES, AND MANY PUBLIC SCIENTOLOGISTS IN LA REGION KNOW AND REMEMBER ALL THE WORK THEY'VE DONE IN DETAIL.

AT PRESENT, MY GUESS THEY ONLY HAVE LESS THAN 10 DOING ANY SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT.

Is there any possibility of them outsourcing any parts of it to IBM or another outside vendor?

PAUL WILMSHURST, IF SOMEONE CATCHES PAUL ON THE STREET, TAKING ONE OF HIS CIGARETTE BREAK WALKS, HE'S A TALL LANKY AUSSIE, WHITISH BLOND HAIR, VERY TALL, SOMEONE MIGHT ASK PAUL. HE'S THE TIPPY TOP COMPUTER SOFTWARE GURU OF INCOMM TODAY. OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE SEMI-PUBLIC, JAMES PERRY IS THE INT COMPUTER ROOM GURU, AND JAMES TRAVELS BETWEEN INCOMM LA AND INCOMM INT, AND SHOULD SOMEONE MEET UP WITH JAMES, THEN JAMES COULD TELL YOU.

ANY RECENTLY DEFECTED INCOMM STAFF COULD TELL US IF INCOMM HAS OUT-SOURCED THE PROGRAMMING FOR THE PARTS OF CHUG.

IT IS CONCEIVABLE.

QUESTION:
Can the Ideal Orgs be traced back to the CHUG Advices?

(ANSWER):
ABSOLUTELY, IN THAT ORGS UPLOAD DATA TO INCOMM LA, AND INCOMM LA ROUTES THE INFO TO PARTS OF THE CHUG SYSTEM.

THE ORGS PROVIDE RAW INFO THAT IS FED INTO THE "CHUG" INCOMM COMPUTER SYSTEM IN TWO OTHER MAIN WAYS, THE COMPUTERIZED WEEKLY REPORTS AND THE COMPUTERIZED ROUTING FORMS INFO ARE BOTH FED INTO THE COMPUTER.

COMPUTERIZING THE ORGS FEEDS THE RAW INFO TO THE INCOMM COMPUTERS IN LA.

REALIZE THEY DON'T CALL IT THE CHUG SYSTEM, THAT'S "OUT-PR" DUE TO THE SPACE OPERA NAME BEING "OUT-GRADIENT" AND IT CAUSES PEOPLE TO LAUGH AT THE SCIENCE FICTION BELIEFS OF THE MOVEMENT/HUBBARD. BUT THE GOAL OF THE CHURCH COMPUTER SYSTEM IS TO COMPLY WITH THE L. RON HUBBARD ORDERS THAT AT AN EARLIER PERIOD WERE NICKNAMED THE "CHUG" ADVICES, ETC.

SO THE DEFECTORS, EX INCOMM COMPUTER PEOPLE, WILL KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND THE WORD "CHUG" IS A GREAT INSTANT COMMON POINT OF THE HUBBARD SCIENCE FICTION ASPECT TO EVERYTHING THAT IS SCIENTOLOGY!

In the Advices, Chug is part of the RITS/Xenu mythology, yes? Who is it that ends up pushing the button that gets him executed?

NO, REALIZE THE SCIENCE FICTION WHOLE TRACK (PAST LIVES) HISTORY GOES ALL OVER THE PLACE.

I MEAN IF SOMEONE REALLY WANTS TO DO AN AUTHORITATIVE BOOK ON ALL THE WHOLE MYTHOLOGY, THEY WOULD NEED TO COMB THROUGH A LOT OF HUBBARD'S LECTURES, AND THERE ARE PERIODS WHERE THE MYTHOLOGY SORT OF DEAD ENDS IN WIERD (TO SAY THE LEAST) PLACES. LIKE THE WIERD SPACE WORLDS MENTIONED IN THE PHILIDELPHIA DOCTORATE LECTURES ARE LESS SPACE OPERA LIKE COMPARED TO THE 1960S STORIES OF THE SPACE OPERA CIVILIZATIONS.

I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE A NEAT CONSISTENCY TO THE MYTHOLOGY, I WAS STUMPED BY THE INCONGRUENT PARTS WHEN I THINK BACK TO THEM.

BUT THERE IS A CLOSENESS, BUT YOU'RE ASKING A PRETTY BIG QUESTION, AND SOMEONE PROBABLY HAS ALREADY GONE INTO THIS BETTER, MAYBE SOMEONE FROM RON'S ORG (CAPT BILL ROBERTSON'S BRANCH OF HUBBARDISM) WHO IS AN EXPERT IN THE SCIENCE FICTION MYTHOLOGY MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO A POINT ON TYING THE MYTHOLOGY TOGETHER.

IF SOME EX SEA ORG MEMBER WHO REALLY WORKED IN INCOMM OR KNOWS THE INCOMM/CHUG ADVICES REALLY WELL, IF THEY ARE IN THE RON'S ORG GROUP, THEN I'D LIKE TO TALK TO SUCH A PERSON, THEY'D LIKELY HAVE WRESTLED WITH THE CONTRADICTORY SCIENCE FICTION SPACE OPERA PAST LIVES HISTORY IN ALL OF HUBBARD'S EARLIER LECTURES AND WRITINGS, AND NEATED THE WHOLE MYTHOLOGY UP.

I'M NOT EXPERT IN THAT, SORRY.

I VIEWED THE CHUG/INCOMM ADVICES AS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW L. RON HUBBARD ROUTINELY, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE HISTORY OF THE SCIENTOLOGY MOVEMENT, HUBBARD HAS DIPPED INTO HIS OWN PASTLIVES MEMORIES TO SELECT IDEAS THAT HE IN TURN ORDERED THE MOVEMENT ADMINISTRATORS TO IMPLEMENT.

LRH MENTIONS THE "BUTTON" PUSHING IN HIS 1983 RON'S JOURNAL LECTURE, TO ALL STAFF AND SCIENTOLOGY FOLLOWERS, AND THE "FLIP THE SWITCH" OR "PUSH THE BUTTON" EXAMPLE IS MY BLENDING OF WHAT I RECALL OF THE CHUG ADVICES AND THE 1983 PUBLIC LECTURE WHERE LRH MENTIONS INCOMM PUBLICLY.

(LRH'S WRITING AND LECTURES ARE SO TIME CONSUMING TO DELVE THROUGH, AND THE NUGGETS OF INTERESTING (LUDICROUS, ALARMING) TIDBITS ARE THERE, IT IS JUST TIME CONSUMING DIGGING THEM ALL OUT. THE TRANSCRIPT, IF IT EXISTS, OF THAT 1983 PUBLIC RON'S JOURNAL LECTURE I HOPE IS ON THE INTERNET SOMEWHERE, AS THAT LECTURE HAS RON TALKING ABOUT BOTH INCOMM AND RTC.)

IF YOU COULD SOMEHOW MINDMELD WITH ALL OF THE HUBBARD LECTURES AND WRITINGS, (AND NOT GO CRAZY), AND YOU COULD SEE WHAT HE SAID AND WROTE, YOU WOULD SEE THAT SOMETIMES HE WENT INTO MORE DETAIL ABOUT PAST LIVES SCIENCE FICTION-ESQUE HISTORY SPORADICALLY, BUT JUST AS SUPERFICIALLY AS HE DOES IN THE ASSISTS LECTURE OF THE CLASS 8 TAPE LECTURE SERIES WHERE RON TALKS IN DETAIL ABOUT THE XENU HOLOCAUST THAT CAUSED ALL THE SURPLUS SOULS (BODY THETANS) FLOATING AROUND EARTH EVER SINCE THAT SUPPOSED HOLOLCAUST 75 MILLION YEARS AGO THAT WAS ORDERED BY XENU.

CHUG AND THE COMPUTERIZATION THAT ANOTHER PAST SPACE CIVILIZATION WAS RUNNING SUCCESSFULLY FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS, PER HUBBARD, S, IS JUST A ONE TIME STORY, ONLY IN THE INCOMM ADVICES. THANKS FOR FOSTER TOMPKINS THE SEA ORG MEMBER LONG TIME STAFFER, HE ENGAGED LRH IN AN EXTENSIVE BACK AND FORTH DESPATCH CONVERSATION, AND GOT LRH REALLY ON A ROLL, I THINK CREDIT TO EVEN SPURRING LRH INTO SUCH FRANK FREE SPEECH IS DUE TO FOSTER'S LONG DETAILED DESPATCHES TO LRH THAT IN TURN, IN MY OPINION, GOT LRH REALLY THINKING (RATHER IMAGINING). HUBBARD IN THE FINAL YEARS, GOES INTO A HALF DOZEN INTERESTING SCIENCE FICTIONESQUE SUB-SUBJECTS, GIZMOS AND TALK ABOUT ALIEN DRONE SPACE CRAFT WHICH ARE IN STATIONARY ORBIT AROUND EARTH, MONITORING EARTH'S PROGRESS. FOSTER CAUGHT SEVERAL OF THESE HUBBARD ORIGINATIONS. WHICH IS WHY I HOPE FOSTER MAKES IT OUT. HE IS A PRETTY BRILLIANT GUY, AND HOPEFULLY FOSTER WILL DETAIL IN DETAIL ALL HE POSSIBLY CAN, SOMEDAY, ABOUT ALL THIS.

OTHER MESSENGERS WHO WORKED FOR HUBBARD ON THE APOLLO SAID LRH USED TO PARTICULARLY LIKE TO SHARE "SPACE OPERA" (THAT'S WHAT THIS IS LABELED AS INTERNALLY, TECHNICALL) STORIES WITH HIS MESSENGERS AT NIGHT, WHILE THEY STOOD ON THE BRIDGE OF THE APOLLO IN THE CALM OF THE CLEAR NIGHTS AT SEA.

IN HINDSIGHT NOW, TO ME, IT IS WAY MORE CLEAR JUST HOW HOKEY AND TRULY SUPERFICIAL HUBBARD WAS.

IN IMPORTANCE, TO ME, TODAY, I FEEL THAT THE CLASS 8 ASSISTS LECTURE, WHICH THANK GOD, IS ON THE INTERNET. THAT IS THE ULTIMATE IN PERFECT UN-BRAINWASHING MATERIAL TO SHARE PUBLICLY, EVERY CHANCE, EVERY DEMONSTRATION, WITH THAT 10 MINUTE CLIP BEING PLAYED ALOUD FOR SCIENTOLOGISTS TO LISTEN TO.

SCIENTOLOGISTS ARE CONDITIONED TO BELIEVE HUBBARD.

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

Chuck in Pittsburgh,
412-260-1170 I'll answer any questions, anytime (prefer after 9pm east coast time) anyone just hit *67 then my phone number, so the number you call from doesn't show up on my phone records

Entturbulation . Org chat site, 10 July 2008 4pm approx

Re: Project CHUG

Quote:
Originally Posted by noclamsonme
Chuck, how many people would be involved in doing actual software development for CHUG?
Questions, questions.

At some points, they had 15 or so programmers, this is during the 80s. They've gone through ups and downs repeated failed attempts. Probably 100-150 all total over the last 25 years or so. Mostly Sea Org members, almost all Scientologists to some degree. The "best" were the local Scientologists who were "OTs" like Jim Owen and another guy I forget his name, these were local OT Scientologists who got paid and worked Sea Org hours, at INCOMM LA, in a special area for the "outside" programmers.

Quote:
Originally Posted by noclamsonme
Is there any possibility of them outsourcing any parts of it to IBM or another outside vendor?

yes, in my opinion it is conceivable. They'd of course NOT provide the outside vendor programmers with copies of the Chug LRH orders today though. They'd vet the orders and take out all the science fiction mumbo jumbo of course, if they today had to relay to the outside vendors what their "wish list" system requirements consisted of.

Quote:
Originally Posted by noclamsonme
Can the Ideal Orgs be traced back to the CHUG Advices?

All the strategic plans ultimately come from Hubbard's brain and if you suck into your own brain all of Hubbard's various strategic writings, namely Data Series 40 titled "The Ideal Org" that is the Ideal Org goal, and then read the "Computer Series" policy letters, there you will find the connection in writing.

Hubbard's policy called "Computer Series 1 WHAT IS A COMPUTER" contains snippets of Hubbard's dispatch traffic with Foster Tompkins, the infamous "Chug advices." Minus the space opera juicy details, but a few juicy details: (Computer Series 1) "…The computer can contribute enormously to operational speed in its ability to rapidly relay information over long distances, its ability to keep constant and accurate track of thousands of individual data and actions, and its capacity for rapid data collection and evaluation for action."

"What’s happened on this planet, obviously, is that they think the computer will think---when it can’t…"

(Computer Series 2, 18 Aug 1982) "In a very short while, at this writing, computers will exist at management echelons to keep track of stats, demand programs and keep track of their effectiveness. The computer will be able to detect very early noncompliance both in writing and getting done programs."

(Computer Series 4, 23 Nov 1985) "INCOMM is the International Network of Computer Organized management." "INCOMM's purpose is to establish and operate a major international management computer system which enforces the standard application of Scienotlogy policy and technology and, as a result, brings about rapid planetary expansion."

HOT QUOTE FROM HUBBARD: "…I'll let you in on a little-known fact. On the track [past lives, space opera past], real computers (not Earth's current home or business entertainment toys) have successfully administered whole planets. They actually were able to do work. They were not merely consoles and recorders that a person punched data into so that they would spit the data back at him.

"The point here is that this planet's current popular concept of how to use a computer would make a baby laugh. It's a bit like using a nuclear reactor to boil water, which is also being done on this planet at this time."

[Foster when he gets out someday will remember this final quote, as Foster used the following quote many times to push through for the financing of INCOMM hardware, this is the "fire truck" quote:]

"Give an executive a few investigations and evaluations and these whole track computer operations and the computers and programs and let him use them to apply Scientology and the potential is there to send stats out through the top of the solar system. And on a planet in the shape this one is in, there is not time to lose in doing so. Getting a real computer network factual and functioning is about the same order of importance and magnitude as sending for a fire truck!

"NCOMM is depended on and is there to get that job done." L. Ron Hubbard

MY POINT: Hubbard in a couple places speaks of "evaluation" which is the Scientology Sea Org managers' procedure that Hubbard's Data Series policies details. The Chug (INCOMM) advices are quite clear by Hubbard, with the science fiction space opera example of how the space civilization of the past had computers that did all the managing, and Hubbard's evaluation "admin tech" to improve orgs.

The current recent years "Ideal Org" concentration is David Miscavige's going backwards into Hubbard's administrative repertoire of policies, and that is Miscavige's focusing on the mention of the "Ideal Org" up to Ideal Scene status, it all fits together, like I said, if you sucked into your brain all the Hubbard writings relevant to the Ideal Org policy, LRH's writings on computerization, and evaluation.

The INCOMM on paper step by step strategies and programs they are accomplishing, we'd have to see what Foster Tompkins wrote and got approved over the years, and in the last decade, I'm pretty sure the INCOMM on paper strategies will be shown to align with the David Miscavige recent years’ strategic writings relating to the "Ideal Orgs".

I will ask some recent years former WDC members who would know, and let you know.

Quote:
Originally Posted by noclamsonme
In the Advices, Chug is part of the RITS/Xenu mythology, yes?

Hubbard was off the cuff mostly, with his mythology stuff, and in context, he sounds more like he's just delving into his own and other people's past lives memories, to come up with the mythology.

The Chug advices were NOT connected in any of Hubbard's administrative final years' comments to the Xenu story, that I ever read.

Hubbard's inclination to use the whole track, is pretty much his own galactic level imagination blowhard megalomania. Not some well formed mythology.

The PDC tapes, for instance, he discussed a more "magic" space world, not even really connected to the later Marcab, Helatrobus, Arcturus, Espinol crap.

In the 1980s traffic that I read, Hubbard didn't mention Marcab, or Espinol, or the Invader forces. His mythology on the space opera stuff is spread out.

We need to see Hubbard's own preclear/pre-OT folders, where he wrote down what he was encountering in his own auditing of himself.

In his private counseling folders would be his own fantastic beliefs about the cosmos and would likely be the best actual source to prove what Hubbard intimately believed is reality out there in the cosmos.

I've wanted for Ray Mitoff to defect, and I've asked others, I've asked for people like Paulette Ausley and Otto Roos and David Mayo, and anyone else who audited Hubbard nearing his final years, as those people would also be able to tell us just how detailed the mythology was part of Hubbard's outlook or not.

Quote:
Originally Posted by noclamsonme
Who is it that ends up pushing the button that gets him executed?

I believe it is the computer operations personnel, the person who simply turns on the computer and the computer then goes into action, does the "work". I might be blending the pushing the button moment with another moment Hubbard stated in a 1983 staff and public Ron's Journal lecture, which I think was issued New Years 1983, where LRH talks amongst other things about INCOMM and RTC. In that lecture, he mentions the computers and what the computers will be someday able to do.

Chuck in Pittsburgh

July 11, 2008 8:22 AM
chuckbeatty77 said...

http://counterfeitdreams.blogspot.com/2008/07/chapter-twelve-over-rainbow.html

Thanks Jeff Hawkins. Best writing about Int I've read.

I hope, again, this inspires others to write of their time periods at Int.

There are hundreds of Int Base staffers who have come and gone, who I hope will write their histories.

In hindsight, I find greatest fault with Hubbard, the founder of the whole mess.

I find greatest credit goes to those who balanced and played the game so as least to trample on their fellows.

You were one of the best Sea Org members for production records, and what did it get you.

Lots and lots of people who still love you as the great person you are.

Thanks Jeff! I hope your family is proud of you!

And I hope people, I know some of them, like Kerry Gleason, have tried to make apologies for their "roles" as bastards over the years.

I am for forgiving, and the simplicity of just saying I'm sorry, and I hope those that were caught up in the "tough" "hard ass" executive mindset of Gilman Hot Springs are big enough today to apologize to those they trampled on.

You're doing a tremendous good thing writing all this history Jeff!

Chuck Beatty
Pittsburgh
minor ex Scientology staffer
(1975-2003)







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